The Iranians are coming the Iranians are coming!

MacNut

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Iranian warships headed to the U.S. coast pose little danger to the United States but could be a dry run for the future, according to former U.S. military and security officials.

The mission shows the danger Iran would pose if it possessed nuclear weapons, says John Bolton, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under President George W. Bush and an arms negotiator during the Cold War.

"It shows they could put a weapon on a boat or freighter, and if (Iran) has ballistic missiles it could put it anywhere on the U.S. coast," Bolton said. "Down the road it could be a threat."
The commander of Iran's Northern Navy Fleet, Adm. Afshin Rezayee Haddad, said Iran sent "a fleet" to the Atlantic Ocean, to approach U.S. maritime borders for the first time, according to the Associated Press, which cited Iran's official IRNA news agency Saturday. The U.S. maritime border is about 14 miles from land.

The news comes as the United States and other world powers prepare to meet Feb. 18 with Iranian diplomats in Vienna to seek a comprehensive agreement about Iran's disputed nuclear program. Iran seeks an agreement that would eliminate economic sanctions over its nuclear program that have crippled its economy. The United States seeks to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/10/iran-warships-threat-to-usa-coast/5365335/

Should we be worried about their sight seeing mission.
 

MacNut

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Given they've been detected how is this a future dry run?
They announced they were coming, I guess this is nothing more than a chest bump, but in 10 years if they got some nasty weapons could they be a threat.
 

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They announced they were coming, I guess this is nothing more than a chest bump, but in 10 years if they got some nasty weapons could they be a threat.
Who knows? Being able to send a ship across the Atlantic isn't a big deal. Christopher Columbus did it in 1492.
 

skunk

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Seems only fair, as the US has been threatening Iran for decades from a lot closer than 14 miles off the coast, and with a lot more meaningful armaments.
 

VulchR

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Seems only fair, as the US has been threatening Iran for decades from a lot closer than 14 miles off the coast, and with a lot more meaningful armaments.
You forgot virtually every one of Iran's neighbours have armed themselves against Iran, and that the Iranian government have killed people in the street protesting against the regime... Wonder why that is....
 

Happybunny

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Seems only fair, as the US has been threatening Iran for decades from a lot closer than 14 miles off the coast, and with a lot more meaningful armaments.
So true, :cool:

You forgot virtually every one of Iran's neighbours have armed themselves against Iran, and that the Iranian government have killed people in the street protesting against the regime... Wonder why that is....
Talking about killing the Americans don't have clean hands either.:(
Iran Air Flight 655
The aircraft, which had been flying in Iranian airspace over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path, was destroyed. All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died.[1] Ranking ninth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
 
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skunk

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You forgot virtually every one of Iran's neighbours have armed themselves against Iran, and that the Iranian government have killed people in the street protesting against the regime... Wonder why that is....
Virtually every one of Iran's neighbours is a Sunni-dominated country.

Iran has no history of invading its neighbours.
 
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Shrink

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They probably had some help setting up that operation.
Is this a totally unsubstantiated opinion, or is there some source available to support the statement?
Dick Cheney might be the only one who knows.

You would have to be obtuse to think the Iranians developed their own nuclear technology in a bubble.
Whether I am obtuse or not, you still haven't answered my question in the post above. Can you substantiate the assertion, or not?
 

Zombie Acorn

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Whether I am obtuse or not, you still haven't answered my question in the post above. Can you substantiate the assertion, or not?
Feel free to read up:

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iran/ISIS_Iran_P2_7Feb2008.pdf

The P-2 centrifuge, deployed in Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, is essentially the
same design as one developed by Germany in the early 1970s and stolen by A.Q. Khan
from Urenco, the uranium enrichment consortium of Britain, Germany, and the
Netherlands. The P-2 uranium enrichment throughput is about 2.5 times greater than the
P-1 centrifuge. Where the P-1 in Pakistan achieved an annual enrichment output of about
two separative work units (swu) annually, the P-2 has a capacity of about five swu
annually.

The P-2 as modified by Iran is about one half the length of the P-2 and has no bellows, a
difficult to make component. If configured appropriately, it would take approximately
1,200 P-2/IR-2 centrifuges to produce more than enough weapon-grade uranium for a
nuclear weapon in one year, where it would take 3,000 P-1 centrifuges to produce a
similar quantity.

The original P-2 uses a rotor tube made out of maraging steel and one bellows at the
center of the tube. According to Iran’s declarations to the IAEA, Iranian experts decided
that they could not make the P-2 bellows, which is thinner and more difficult to
manufacture than the P-1 bellows. Iran therefore modified the design, using a single
carbon fiber rotor and forgoing the maraging steel bellows.
A complete hack job, and they couldn't even do it correctly.


We also have reports of Halliburton selling reactor technology to Iran and Dick Cheney attempting to get sanctions lifted so that they could continue to "do business" in the country. Seems a bit suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0giXvhEWMo
 

chown33

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Nobody trusts a youtube link here. Its not a "reliable source."
How about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran
The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.[1] The participation of the United States and Western European governments in Iran's nuclear program continued until the 1979 Iranian Revolution that toppled the Shah of Iran.[2]

Also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_nuclear_power_in_Iran
 

zioxide

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They announced they were coming, I guess this is nothing more than a chest bump, but in 10 years if they got some nasty weapons could they be a threat.
Doubtful.

We've probably got three nuclear attack submarines tracking them and shadowing their every move. We could sink their entire fleet before they even knew what hit them if they tried anything.
 

powerstrokin

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Feel free to read up:

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iran/ISIS_Iran_P2_7Feb2008.pdf



A complete hack job, and they couldn't even do it correctly.


We also have reports of Halliburton selling reactor technology to Iran and Dick Cheney attempting to get sanctions lifted so that they could continue to "do business" in the country. Seems a bit suspicious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0giXvhEWMo
You do know that being a signatory to the NNPT, Iran is allowed to pursue nuclear power/research for medical use, right?

You do also know that as a signatory to the NNPT, the United States is OBLIGATED to ASSIST them in those endeavors, right?!

You do know that Iran allows inspections in accordance with the treaty and the reports always say that Iran is compliant and all is well, right?

You do know that Israel is one of the very very few NUCLEAR WEAPON POSSESSING countries to REFUSE to sign the treaty, (not just once, but every single time; many times) all the while bitching and moaning that everyone else SHOULD, RIGHT?! Just saying.
 

Macky-Mac

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Virtually every one of Iran's neighbours is a Sunni-dominated country....
iraq is dominated by sunnis? (I suspect any iraqi would claim they're dominated by shi'a).....armenia is dominated by sunnis? They don't seem to be dominated by sunnis either.......Azerbaijan? Like Iran, they tend to be shia.....and what constitutes a "neighbor" for your claim? Russia, like Iran, is on the caspian sea, so are they a neighbor?

Don't you think you're overstating the situation?

....Iran has no history of invading its neighbours.
maybe you need to add some modifiers to this claim to make it more plausible.....after all, over the centuries Iran has had quite a history of conflict, invasion and war making with the neighbors.....even the regime that currently occupies Tehran has a record of military meddling of various sorts with its neighbors.

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...You do know that Israel is one of the very very few NUCLEAR WEAPON POSSESSING countries to REFUSE to sign the treaty....
an interesting claim.....this wikipedia article suggests that 4 of the 9 states with nuclear weapons aren't signers of the NPT......which certainly conflicts with your claim
 
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