The iTunes Hate Site

Discussion in 'Mac Apps and Mac App Store' started by IJ Reilly, Oct 20, 2003.

  1. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Well, it was bound to happen, right?

    This guy is pretty confused. He seems to think it's fairer for the artists to get nothing from the file swappers, instead whatever they're paid per track from iTMS sales.
  2. bitfactory macrumors 6502


    Jul 22, 2002

    the guy who created the site is a total tool... he even links to CD Baby (top nav), like its 'his little secret' - a great, small record label.

    attention dork: CD Baby LOVES the iTMS, they are in the process of putting their whole catalog up there right now.

    nice job! :D
  3. Totalshock macrumors member

    Mar 20, 2003
    Tarana (to locals...)
    If you buy music from iTMS while wearing a tinfoil hat, are you safe?
  4. IJ Reilly thread starter macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    As long as you fashion it into a pyramid, then yeah, probably.
  5. shadowfax macrumors 603


    Sep 6, 2002
    Houston, TX
    nice domain

    lol! everything else is hardly worth comment.
  6. FattyMembrane macrumors 6502a


    Apr 14, 2002
    bat country
    i love that his solution to musicians getting screwed out of money is just to steal it with p2p (he recommends giFT, konspire2b, and freenet).

    anyone who says "bandwidth is not expensive" should be barred from speaking on any matter involving the internet.

    i agree: the system sucks, but i could have sworn that apple doesn't make 35% on each song, and the record companies are still the ones doing the major plundering.

    the guy has a point, but he's a bit misguided.
  7. stoid macrumors 601


    Feb 17, 2002
    So long, and thanks for all the fish!
    Let's see, if apple makes 35 cents per song...

    100 million songs from Pepsi, and say a high estimate of 100 million songs by the year end mark. That's *does math in head* 200 million songs times .35 per song. Grand total of 70 million dollars profit for Apple in the first year. I'm not sure how to estimate the costs Apple has to pay, but that would have to be at least 10 or 20 million at the very least, which when the company reports 45 million in a quarter, that's a 5 to 10 percent profit gain for the company.

    I think that if it were THAT significant, Apple would be running the iTMS to make money, not sell iPods.
  8. Bear macrumors G3

    Jul 23, 2002
    Sol III - Terra
    Out of the part that Apple keeps, Apple has to pay for the servers, the credit card costs, the people who manage/maintain iTMS, etc.

    Apple does not make 35 cents per track after costs. People always forget the cost of doing business.
  9. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    It amuses me that all the Kazaa users have suddenly decided, when faced with a viable alternative, that continuing to use Kazaa is somehow noble and valiant.
  10. shadowfax macrumors 603


    Sep 6, 2002
    Houston, TX
    "oh NO! it's not a viable idea! that would require me to spend MONEY! you know i use that only for porn!"

  11. cb911 macrumors 601


    Mar 12, 2002
    BrisVegas, Australia
    huh? people actually pay for porn? you know you can get that for free as well. :p :D

    anyway, about that downhillbattle site... perhaps the artists could be getting more than they are now, assuming it's as low as that guy says.

    Apple has a business to run, and costs it has to pay. the record label helps the artist with exposure and distribution, so i don't know what that guys on about.

    perhaps the artist should be getting a higher percentage of the profits, but what do i know?
  12. scem0 macrumors 604


    Jul 16, 2002
    back in NYC!
    are you purposefully targetting me?!??!

    jk ;)......maybe:eek: :p :D.

  13. XnavxeMiyyep macrumors 65816


    Mar 27, 2003
    Hmm, so Kazaa, which usually gets around 15 k/sec is fast? It's definitely so much faster than iTunes(150k/s+), and it definitely doesn't steal from the musician the way iTunes does.
  14. Sol macrumors 68000


    Jan 14, 2003
    Not so valid points

    iTunes Hate Site indeed! What is the argument of the site's writer, that Apple's cure (iTMS) is worse than the disease (P2P)? At best Apple will sell a lot of music that would not have been sold via any other format, at worst Apple will take away from CD sales. Either way I do not see how artists are done wrong by this.

    The arguments about AAC files being lossy and CDs being ideal do not convince me at all. The iTMS AAC files are created from master tapes and encoded better than any CD-ripping solution. Audio quality is not an issue here. Besides, when artists like Massive Attack and Radiohead release copy-protected disks we do not have the option to rip this music using our own hardware and software.

    Overall my impression of the above linked page was that somebody had a lot of time in their hands. It is as if there is a culture of hostility towards Apple by a small but vocal portion of Windows users. What I find ironic is that Apple is not even selling iTunes to these people; it is freeware and they still complain about it.
  15. IJ Reilly thread starter macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    Re: Not so valid points

    Of course that's the other major laugh-riot on this site. I wonder where he's finding CD-quality audio on the P2P servers. I'll bet so long as he can get it for free, he doesn't care if the music sounds like an old 78 RPM record played with a ten-penny nail.

    I'm truly amazed by the number of people who've become righteously indignant over the prospect of people actually paying for their music. I mean, the utter gall of them! Maybe they're worried about all that honesty rubbing off on them. Contagious honesty could be very inconvenient!
  16. VIREBEL661 macrumors regular

    Feb 24, 2003
    There's gotta be some legal issues with using Apple graphics, and also the pictures of the people from Apple's ads. From a musician, this is total BS. As everyone here has already pointed out, it's a foward thinking and workable business model.

    Slightly Off Topic - I went to school throughout the 80's, programmed Apple II's! Mac's were the bomb when they came out. About this (misinformed) vocal part of the windoze community that automatically hate Mac's and Apple for whatever reason and no matter what - when the hell did this happen in culture? Was it around win95? Just weird...
  17. Docrjm macrumors regular

    Jun 22, 2003
    I think he forgot his meds today...adnd yesterday and the day before that!
  18. alset macrumors 65816


    Nov 9, 2002
    East Bay, CA
    The same was said of anti-buymusic sites. The answer is that sites of this nature are a satire.

    This site has been around for several months. Didn't anyone notice it?

  19. solvs macrumors 603


    Jun 25, 2002
    LaLaLand, CA

    Assuming artists only get $0.11 (or even $0.01) per track sold, isn't that still better than $0.00 per song by using P2P or buying a used CD as he is arguing? Sure it's not as good as just sending the artist a buck, but it's better than nothing. If you're going to have complaints, at least make legit ones like BuyMusicSucks.

    Oh, wait... you can't. Ok then.
  20. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    I was about to mention that it's been around for a while, but you beat me to it.

    I think the new Windows release just makes him scream louder. ;)
  21. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    Nah, don't think so.

    I think the free computer and software Microsoft will be sending him to update his site will have him in an orgasmic coma.
  22. jonapete2001 macrumors regular

    Oct 20, 2003
    the creator of that itunes hate site, needs to think of teh total value of all the music apple has sold. I think i heard today that apple has sold about 14 million songs since the itunes came out in the spring. that would be (at 11 cents per song) 1,540,000 dollars given directly to the artists. That is a whole lot better than $0.
    About the record labels cut, i know it is large but they are the ones making all the investment into the artists. people have to think of the investment into artists that go nowhere. And its not like these popular artists are starving in the street!!
  23. Edot macrumors 6502

    Jan 29, 2002

    I bet the RIAA would love to find out who this guy is flaunting himself about screaming about how he steals music and it is a much better way to "support" the artists.:rolleyes: Apple has done more for the music industry than just $$$. They have helped industry in other ways by getting people more interested in music, music ownership, and it's integration with technology. The music industry was hurting because of computers. Apple and other proponents of legal online music have revived the industry in some sense. I don't see the point of the website. If it is an attack against the RIAA and the Labels why is it targeted at Apple? Aren't they loosening the RIAA's grip on music, and the Labels?:confused:
  24. etoiles macrumors 6502a


    Jun 12, 2002
    Where the air is crisp
    I think he raises some valid points. The artist still lives at the bottom of the corporate food chain, iTMS doesn't change much there. Plus yes, it is still pricey compared to a full CD, especially if you consider the quality difference (I just bought a few Zero7 songs and there is some noise/crackling here and there).

    But where the f*** does this tie in with P2P ? Yeah, right, artists are going to make more money if they switch to donations...and we live in a nice world of shiny happy people. Riiiiiiiiight.

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