The Kalb Report - Truth Be Told: Journalism in the Age of Trump

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    I thought this was a very enlightening video. I was extremely impressed by Ted Koppel. It's a long video, but worth watching. Basically in a nutshell Ted Koppel and the NPR guy are basically saying the media is so obsessed with Trump, that's all they talk about, and in doing so it makes them look guilty of extreme bias and part of the establishment, that has a negative effect on the viewers, who are basically turned off from the 24/7 hit pieces on Trump, who then start to believe they are fake news and start to side with Trump.




    This one is much shorter, but Ted Koppel nails it. Basically the MSM, specifically CNN makes a lot of money off Trump. Stelter even admitted CNN gets a 40% boost in ratings and revenue by trashing Trump 24/7, but denies they're doing it for ratings. It appears NPR is about as neutral as you can get for factual reporting, without the spin and bias. NOTE no conservative representative was present. All liberal networks in this interview.

     
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    I think the media is trying to get honest answers from an administration that is now notorious for lying. They are doing the right thing.

    If Trump dare take a press conference himself and speak the the people that have him as a president regardless of how they voted, he’d get caught out on details every single time. But why should the media not keep pushing his spokespersons for clarifications?

    Trump has proven to be the massive embarrassment that many people predicted but his insistence that he is the greatest ever will obviously attract much attention from the media. Trump deserves no sympathy or rest from the scrutiny of the media as he is a deplorable person.
     
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    Likely this is true. Doesn’t mean Trump is doing a good job.
     
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    It's the first time I've seen liberal press talk about Trump and how they report on him in an honest way.
     
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    See their coverage of Mourinho. They are also obsessed.
     
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    I fail to see how reporting on Trump, without saying 'Yeah, we know we sway readers', is dishonest?
     
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    I was talking more a long the lines that they admittedly said they used to be the gate keepers with disseminating information, and political figures had to go through them alone, since the internet and social media wasn't born yet. But now they realize anyone with a laptop computer and a YouTube channel can sway millions of people, sometimes even more profound than that of CNN, or MSNBC. Trump is very smart using social media to bypass the old guard.
     
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    And how is that being dishonest? It has never been hidden in any way, that main stream medias used to be the main way of reporting news, and that social networks have taken over a lot of that?
     
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    Smart? No way. Cowardly.
     
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    I just said they're finally being honest about what's been happening. This subject to my knowledge has not been thoroughly discussed by the MSM in detail before.
     
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    Like so much in life, that is a two-edged sword. It's okay if you want to disseminate facts the media aren't covering. It's horrendous if, like the present administration, you're using it to mislead the people.

    When cable TV first came out, people were like, "Oh, this is great! We'll have all these channels to work with. We'll be able to have channels devoted solely to great literature and art and music." And for a few years, that's what happened. (Remember the early years of Bravo?) Now of course it's all turned to trash.

    Same thing with the internet. It was going to bring vast amounts of knowledge to people. And it has. But it's also brought ghettos of propaganda that people willingly live in.

    Overall, we were better off with the gatekeepers of the past -- back before the news and entertainment media merged and the profit motive took over.
     
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    The issue is and should be whether or not news stories are true/factual. It's not about their coverage of Trump being negative or 24/7.

    Trump is a pathological liar. If people and especially the press do not fact check him and report the truth, then they have failed. So the more Trump lies and tries to deceive, the more coverage he's going to get which point out those lies.

    The fact is - Trump loves all the positive AND negative attention because he's a narcissist. He wins either way. He either loves the story or is able to call it fake news. And his base does not care. And the rest of us would "lose" if the press did not cover him. He's POTUS. What he says and does matter.

    Trump isn't bypassing anything with twitter. It's just another channel to spread his lies.
     
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    Trump is a disaster, think of it as a 200 day hurricane lashing the country. How would the media respond to that... exactly the same way.
     
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    What exactly is news here? Trump is an outlandish aberration who makes news constantly, hence the hyper-focus on him by US media.
     
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    There's a fair critique that too much of the news cycle is led by the president's consistent awfulness. For instance, his broadside against Christine Ford during a Mississippi rally received significant coverage, and I'm of two minds about that. (Between the golfing and the constant campaigning, it's clear that Trump works the least of any modern President.)

    But, is it really news that Trump is a two-faced knucklehead who will seem even-keeled about Ford's testimony in Washington D.C., but then go out of his way to bash her during a rally? That's just Trump on a Thursday.

    And, the relentless news cycle means that we're not still talking about how a porn star was paid off during one of Trump's many affairs, and that the presidential wang apparently resembles Toad from Mario Kart. Instead, we talked about how Kavanaugh's teenage rape-land might have meant the Judge was lying.

    Jesus. Ten years ago, we'd still be wondering whether Daniels thinks Toad's hat comes off or not.

    Increasingly, I think Trump being a vicious goon is not news, and the White House press corps should stop publishing whatever brain-droppings come pouring out of his vacuous head, especially with live breathless coverage.

    That Trump insults and interrupts reporters, whether to call a guy from Kurdistan "Mr. Kurd" like an idiot, or to say that a female reporter is "not thinking" is not news.

    I'm not saying people should stop covering Trump's actions or policies, but I don't see much point in carrying the yammerings of the president or his goons.
     
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    The media has to document this idiocy. It's not fun, nor pretty, but it has to be done. When future generations say this **** didn't happen there will be proof that it did.
     
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    Sure record it, stick the video in the morgue. Wait. But, the tendency to play Trump schtick as "live breaking news" again and again is not helping.

    Again, I'm of two minds about this one, having both gone to several Trump events and studiously avoiding a few more.
     
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    Why did you go to his events?
     
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    My editor made me.
     

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