The lock-out begins for Office Mac users

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  1. MacBytes macrumors bot

    Jul 5, 2003


    Category: 3rd Party Hardware
    Link: The lock-out begins for Office Mac users
    Description:: The launch of Office 2007 for Windows signals the beginning of a long lock-out for Office for Mac users, who will be unable to read the new file formats.

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  2. dialectician macrumors member

    Feb 6, 2006
    damned. bloody micro$oft did it again... i wish there was an alternative out there that could get you around these compatibility issues. but with the m$ dominance of the market, there's not much chance of that.
  3. psychofreak Retired


    May 16, 2006
    How long do you think until open/neooffice supports these formats?
  4. furious macrumors 65816


    Aug 7, 2006
  5. xsedrinam macrumors 601


    Oct 21, 2004
    I took the following quote from the article to mean the lock-out will not be that long, if at all, with free downloadable converters for the .docx files.

    "A spokesperson for the MBU reminded APC of its promise at WWDC that "free downloadable converters would be available" following the release of Office 2007 for Windows, but was unable to tell us when.
    "Unfortunately it is still to early for us to say when the converters will be available", she said."

    Of course, that's the optimistic slant. How that will play out remains to be seen. Meanwhile, I'll continue using Office 2004 for Mac, when necessary, and hope for the best.
  6. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    I wouldn't panic just yet. The numbers of Office 2007 users are going to be tiny for the next few months at least. Novell have already said they'll have the converters ready for OpenOffice in January, so the NeoOffice team will soon incorporate them into their suite, forcing the MacBU to get their arses in gear.

    I reckon we'll see the converters released at MacWorld.
  7. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    It might not be as big a deal as it could be. It sounds more like incentive to buy newer versions of the software.

    I'd be surprised if various companies find the change unappealing and go into the Options panel and change the default document type, of course if that's possible.

    Microsoft has always been a pain for import/export. It shouldn't be a surprise that they're making life difficult for customers.

    Why do people continue to buy into their arrogance? You don't have to answer--I know it already.
  8. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    And straight from the horse's mouth, the MacBU's own blog site

    April it is then.
  9. SMM macrumors 65816


    Sep 22, 2006
    Tiger Mountain - WA State
    I had a meeting with our managers and executive committee a couple weeks back. I told them we are not upgrading to Vista, or Office 2007, for at least two years. After showing them the projected cost/benefit analysis, a couple people raised the question, "Why ever upgrade"?
  10. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    That's an easy one. Sooner or later Microsoft will drop support for the older versions. Better to plan the upgrade than have it forced upon you, if you're staying on MS software that is.
  11. bousozoku Moderator emeritus

    Jun 25, 2002
    Gone but not forgotten.
    Have your software vendors, if any exist, been considering an escape plan to another operating system or will they force you to upgrade eventually?
  12. Analog Kid macrumors 68040

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
    This drives me nuts...

    And wasn't Microsoft making a big stink about how long it took Mac users to adopt OS X back in the day?
  13. bigandy macrumors G3


    Apr 30, 2004
    personally i don't see what the deal is. i have office 2007 (from MSDN) on my windows box, and office 2004 on my mac. i have no problems saving in the 2003 format (which is a prominient option), and there aren't any features i've found that really take advantage of the new XML format.

    plus it's not generally available, and won't have a big pickup until after April 2007, so what's the big deal?

  14. emptyCup macrumors 65816


    Jan 5, 2005
    I have no doubt that there will be converters between new and old versions of Office. However, even though there was a well orchestrated campaign against Fair Play, it is rarely mentioned that most of the world's documents are locked into Word format. I have several huge documents which I had to write in Word for compatibility with others. I have not found any other word processor whose conversion was not seriously "lossy".
  15. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    Exactly. Apart from a few early adopters who will know how to do the save-as-2003-format thing, nobody is going to be using Office 2007 for a few months yet. And it's going to be 2008 at least before the new formats become the default that people attach to e-mails.

    The only Mac users that need to worry about this are those on Office v.X or below, but even they aren't going to be left out if NeoOffice adds the filters.
  16. Snowy_River macrumors 68030


    Jul 17, 2002
    Corvallis, OR
    Office domination irritates me.

    I submitted my resume to a job recently. They invited resumes to be submitted using email. So, I did, and I sent them a PDF format file. They sent an email back saying "We were unable to read the file that you sent us. Please resend your resume in the standard WORD format. Thank you."

    That Word should be considered a more standard format for reading files than PDF is disgusting. Sure, if I was sending them a document that they would want to make changes to, I can understand it a little more, but what business do they have doing anything other than reading my resume?

    A little more on topic, I wonder how long it will take for Pages to get read/write ability in DOCX. One could argue that it shouldn't take that long, given that Pages already has a fully built in XML parser, so it only needs the appropriate instruction set as to how to interpret the XML from DOCX.
  17. nagromme macrumors G5


    May 2, 2002
    I simply use TextEdit to open Word docs. Anyone know whether these convertors will be standalone apps available to all? Or plug-ins that only owners of Word can use?
  18. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    The official Microsoft ones will only work with Office 2004. However, they've already said that the formats will be opened up to other software companies so that 100% compatible applications can be developed. Novell have already said they're taking advantage of this and are adding code to make OpenOffice read and write to the formats. I see no reason why Apple won't do the same with their software.
  19. wmmk macrumors 68020


    Mar 28, 2006
    The Library.
    Nobody knows yet, but we are talking about m$;)
  20. MacsRgr8 macrumors 604


    Sep 8, 2002
    The Netherlands

    We know about dog years, but we also know about Micro$oft years.

    So somewhere in the summer of '07 Mac users with their non-UB version of Office 2004 can finally open the Office 2007 doc(x).
    Wouldn't surprise me to see the launch of Office 2007 for Mac about 2 weeks later.

    Let's just hope not too many people will use Office 2007... otherwise us Mac-users will be "the incompatible suckers" once again.... (even if the update will be released in April, it still is almost half a year away).

    Once, the world will be free of M$ Office. That would be so great.
    Just open standards and freedom of choice to use tha app to create and edit these documents.
  21. nplima macrumors 6502a

    Apr 26, 2006

    OASIS, Opendocument is now a ISO standard, however it's the clients, not microsoft, that have to work hard to ensure compatibility across different versions of the same software... software they paid through the nose.


    masochistic thread of the month :D
  22. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006
    the problem that going to come up is when M$ gets Office 2007 out to colleges though their agreements. A lot of the larger university's have contracts with M$ that allow them to give M$ projects to the students for either dirt cheap (less than 20 and most of the time less than 10 bucks) or free via download.
    Given how long it took my college to get office 2003 I would say with in 2 months the colleges will have it. Which means the student bodies there will switch over with in 1 month of that. That is where most Mac users will be in trouble. The converted needs to be out before colleges get office 2007 to give out it its students for free.
  23. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus


    Jan 9, 2004
    Grand Rapids, MI, USA
    Mmm, but even then it will be a non-issue. Look at the reports... at the END of 2007 or even the beginning of 2008, the percentage of managed installation *Windows* computers using Office 07 is going to be very low.

    Think about what this means...yes, students at Universities and other home users will start having the Office 2007 programs pre-loaded or installed on their computers. But no one who is using a work computer -- including all of their professors -- will have 07, whether they're using Windows or OS X.

    This happened before with the transition to ... Office 2000, I think. And everyone quickly set their computers to default to the cross-compatible Office file version. And life went on.

    I don't think this is going to be a big deal. The first ten or twenty idiot undergrads will submit files for credit to their professors that can't be read because their professors are using Office 2000 or maybe 2003. And they will get sent back with a "request" for a compatible copy.

    The same thing will happen in industry. Many, if not most, people are sending files back and forth over company walls... and so even if their company deploys 07, the chances are good for the next several years that they will have clients or suppliers who do not use it.

    Even if the install base for Office 07 develops well, given the issues with managed installations, the new office format will take YEARS to become a de-facto standard....
  24. Qunchuy macrumors regular

    Jul 17, 2002
  25. Queso macrumors G4

    Mar 4, 2006
    From "Eating your own dogfood" - using the stuff you create so you can work out what's wrong with it before passing it to your customers.

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