Inspired by scem0, I thought a little MA discussion might not go amiss, who does what and at what level? Sorry to disagree, bit aikido is the most fun you can have with your clothes on... I totally agree with your last statment though, I've studied a number of martial arts, karate, kendo, iado, lau gar kung fu and ju-jitsu. I hold a 2nd dan in Kyukoshinkai karate and a first dan in Tomiki aikido. I've found that aikido is the most effective MA form around, although it takes ages to get any good at it (6 years and counting). At it's best it is amongst the most beautiful of martial arts, at is most brutal there is nothing short of firearms that can stand against it. As usual, all martial artists will tell you their particular brand is best, and site some genius of their form who could stun bears at 20 feet etc. but I've found the best way to gauge a modern western-practiced art is to talk to the average students, find out what their capabilities are. I wouldn't dream of taking on Bruce Lee or the Gracie Brothers, but I have fought students from both Joot Keen Do and Gracie Ju-jitsu and have both taught and learned valuable lessons. Inevitably martial arts cannot be practiced to their logical conclusions, cos people get killed, but as an everyday aid to health and balance they are excellent.