The new Mail


macrumors 6502a
Original poster
Jan 15, 2014
How about fixing the IMAP engine before updating the UI? Basic functionality matters you know.


macrumors regular
Jul 28, 2011
So…is that to say you've had issues with in the past, and have tested it on El Cap and are still having issues? has been nothing but a complete disaster for me (my clients) since 10.9. (and 10.8 wasn't great). But in 10.9 and 10.10 it became nearly unusable. Stalls, no new mail notifications, PWODs, terrible performance, list goes on and on and on. IMAP, Google IMAP, iCloud, none of it mattered. It is not unusual to see threads in the Progress dialog crossing between events (which means the thing isn't thread safe!).

So I'm very interested in knowing if Apple has fixed Mail. Tim Cook promised Mail would be fixed in 10.10 at last year's WWDC, which meant they ACKNOWLEDGED the problem (for a change); it wasn't. The lack of acknowledgement of that in the 10.11 keynote was disconcerting. [It is so bad, users are talking of moving to Win 10 when it ships. They were switchers from XP, they WILL go back. Take note, Tim Cook!]


macrumors 601
Jul 20, 2006
Mannheim, Germany
Mail needs a complete rewrite. Not the UI, but the inner workings of the app need to be rewritten. Ever tried to export messages from an iCloud account to Exchange? The way Mail stores messages is a big failure. Apart from that, Mail can be nice..


macrumors 601
Nov 12, 2007
I gave up on a long time ago and moved to MailMate. That app has worked for more than two years without a single issue for me until El Cap, where it started crashing. So, I had to use Mail for a bit now. Luckily the dev released a beta that works on El Cap just an hour ago and I can switch back.

With that aside, I did play with a bit on El Cap with a small email account. It seems fine but it doesn't feel like anything changed for the better. I'll add a heavy one in a while and see if it is stable.
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