The New State Department Report on Hillary’s Email, and Why it Matters

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    The State Department Inspector General’s (IG) investigation report leaked out a day early on May 25 makes a number of significant points. These matter, and need to be considered by anyone voting in November.

    http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2016/05...-report-on-hillarys-email-and-why-it-matters/

    What’s in the IG Report

    — Neither Clinton nor any of her senior staff would participate in the IG’s investigation.
    — Clinton never sought approval, legal or technical, for her unprecedented private email system.
    — IT staffers and others at State warned her against it.
    — Had she sought approval, the State Department would not have granted it.
    — Clinton violated Federal Records laws.
    — Clinton did not turn over all of her work-related emails. Several (unclassified) were quoted in the IG report that had never been released.
    — Clinton violated State Department policies and guidelines in place at the time, even as the State Department enforced those on the rank-and-file.
    — IT staff at the State Department who raised concerns internally were falsely told the server was approved and ordered to not discuss it further.
    — Clinton’s use of a non-standard email account caused many of her emails to not reach their recipients inside State, and ended up instead in Spam.
    — State Department staffers not in Clinton’s inner circle aware of her private email address could not communicate with the head of their agency.
    — His State Department bosses did not know their employee, Bryan Pagliano, was simultaneously working directly for Clinton maintaining her private server.
    — The server came under severe enough hacker attacks that its administrator had to physically unplug it to prevent intrusions.


    The question of classified material handling is, by agreement, being left by State to the FBI, and is thus not addressed in the IG report.

    All of that is in the report. I’ve read the whole thing, and if you do not believe my summary, above, or wonder what specific laws and regulations are being cited, you can also read the whole thing and learn for yourself.

    What Matters

    — For the first time, a set of actual facts of Clinton’s actions and decisions have been laid out by an independent, government entity. The IG was appointed by Obama and his report is dispassionate. No one can realistically claim this is a hit job. Sources are cited and laws footnoted.
    — Clinton did break Federal Records laws and violate State Department regulations that her organization held others to.
    — Despite repeated promises of transparency and cooperation, neither Hillary nor any of her senior staff would agree to participate in the IG’s investigation. Former Sectaries of State Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell and Madeleine Albright did participate fully and voluntarily in the investigation. Clinton alone did not.
    — Clinton never sought approval, and ignored advice to stop what she was doing. She ran the server with no oversight. With no oversight, the only check on Clinton was Clinton herself.
    — That lack of oversights extended to potential destruction of evidence. It was Clinton alone who determined which emails to turn over to the State Department as “work related” and which to delete, some 30,000. It was Clinton who made the decision to then try and wipe the server clean. It is unclear whether or not the FBI can forensically retrieve and review those 30,000 deleted emails.


    Simply put, what she did wasn’t supposed to be done.

    Why It Matters

    — Hillary Clinton lied when she claimed her actions were approved. She lied when she said there were no regulations in place at the time of her server decisions. She lied when she said she broke no laws. She lied when she said this all was a Republican hit job. She lied when she said she would cooperate with any investigation.
    — Hillary Clinton covered up her actions for four years as Secretary, then another two years after she left office, and only admitted to anything after it hit the news last year.
    — Hillary Clinton asks voters to trust her with the most important job in America. She has not shown she is trustworthy.
    — Hillary Clinton asks to be America’s leader. She did not lead her State Department, and she showed contempt for its rules. She did not lead by example.
    — Hillary Clinton made clear by her actions that she believes rules that apply to others do not apply to her.
    — Hillary Clinton by her actions succeeded in hiding all of her official emails from the Freedom of Information Act for six years in open contempt for that process and the American people.
    — Hillary Clinton purposefully and willfully created a system that exempted her from the oversight applied to every other government employee.
    — Hillary Clinton alone in the entire U.S. government conducted 100% of her official business on a private email server.


    Defense?

    The other shoe has yet to drop. Though the Inspectors General from the intelligence community have stated unequivocally that Clinton did handle highly classified material on her unsecured server, the FBI report on the same matter has not yet been released.

    For those who wish to defend Clinton with the “but everybody did it” argument, Condoleezza Rice did not send any emails on any unsecured system at all. Powell and Albright sent a handful in the early days of the web. All of them cooperated in the State IG investigation. None of them ran a fully private system for four years and most importantly, none of them are asking us to trust them now running for president.

    If your support is whittle down to a sad Hillary is down to “well, she’s not Trump,” do be careful what you wish for. She’s not Trump, but she is all of the above.

    For those who wish to defend Clinton by saying “she’s not indicted,” well, actual criminality is a pretty low bar to set for the most important job in America. Also, the FBI has yet to release its report which may point to actual national security violations.

    And lastly, it is not about crime per se, but about trust and judgement.


    BONUS: If Bernie Sanders will not discuss any of this publically, he does not want to be president.
     
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    Even on NPR they are becoming increasingly skeptical of Hillary's "Everybody did it" campaign, pointing out that Colin Powell was the first SecState to use email and INFOSEC procedures had really tightened when Hillary got to Foggy Bottom. Also, the fact that lower-level people did raise concerns about her home-brew server and they were told to shut up.
     
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    Yesterday on MSNBC, they were just aghast. The IG report exposed that everything Hillary’s said about her server and email setup was lies. Hillary’s toast. The FBI is going to guaranteed tell Lynch to indict.


     
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    There is a feeling in Washington that this thing is beginning to snowball.
     
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    I really thought this was a big deal over nothing. Now I think she's going down. And not in the way her husband likes.
     
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    There goes dinner. :eek:
     
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    Excellent post. Thank you.

    Last evening on the news there was an item that Albright and Rice did not send email. Powell sent a handful from his blackberry.

    Clinton is trying to compare her deliberate use of a private server in her home to someone who used a blackberry a few times to respond to email.

    None uf use are using the same security standards today that we did when Powell was at State for our gmail throw away account.
     
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    Crooked Hillary would try yo use any excuse.
     
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    Guilt/innocence is irrelevant. She is quite rich, very powerful, and extremely well connected. Nothing will come of this.
     
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    If this derails her chances at the White House I'll be happy
     
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    I don't see this bothering her supporters even a little tiny bit. They will all do exactly what we are seeing here... saying it's lies, a distraction, a political attack, not a big deal, everyone does it, etc.

    And I'm not trying to pick on Democrats. Were this happening to a Republican, the exact same thing would occur.
     
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    Right, her supporters don't care. But there are tons of undecided voters out there. That's what everyone seems to forget, when trump says something outrageous, people say so what? His supporters don't care. But what about the undecided?
     
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    In 2008, labors unions went for Obama in a big way. This year, the rank-and-file are moving to Trump.
     
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    Rank & file were sold out via TPP
     
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    I doubt she'll get indicted, but this is all coming out right on time for Trump to use against her in the general election. Unlike Bernie, who was "tired of hearing about her damn emails", Trump won't hesitate to use this as a massive talking point from now until November.
     
  18. Jess13, May 28, 2016
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    The FBI will guaranteed strongly recommend/demand indictment. Marcel Lazar, the hacker who first exposed that Hillary used a private email setup and says he hacked/accessed Hillary’s server, was hurriedly extradicted from Romania and on the same day the IG report leaked he pleaded guilty in very good plea deal (7 years instead of 20). In his plea agreement – section 14, page 8 – it states that he is obligated to testify at any future grand juries and/or trials. I wonder whose grand jury and/or trial *wink wink* :p Note also in cooperation that testifying is his first obligation listed, therefore the most important.


     
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    "Others did it, too" is a lie. Colin Powell did not have a dedicated server at home.

    The fact that she did that implies intent.

    Smells like she was hiding something.
     
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    In addition to doing everything Rove did, Hillary was illegally storing TS-SCI information on her homebrew server. Much worse. Much, much worse.
     
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    The GOP in power could do it, so it's a little crass for the GOP to complain only when a non-Republican does it. Kinda like when the GOP says "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" then bitch about the Democrats doing deficit spending, without talking about where it goes. Or when Reagan, still the icon, did amnesty in 1986 but when Obama or any other Democrat tries to do the same thing that's just baaaaad.
     
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    In that piece, in its first paragraph it already is false:

    Clinton has said she deleted about 50,000 emails that dealt with personal matters, citing her daughter’s wedding and her mother’s funeral as examples. All the correspondence pertaining to official business was turned over to and archived by State. The deletion of the emails, though perfectly legal, has excited House Republicans, including Speaker John Boehner, who has announced plans to deploy House committees to investigate what might aptly be called Servergate.​

    Hillary did not turn over all of her work-related emails. Several (unclassified) were quoted in the IG report that had never been released. In the 30,000+ Hillary deleted, it is very likely work-related emails were in there.

    In that piece, in its second paragraph it also is false:

    Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.​

    The IG report obliterated that fake talking point by the Clinton team. It was not similar, there really was no comparison. And Colin Powell did not use a private server. Everything Powell did was approved; everything Hillary did was not.

    I quit reading the piece right there. Waste of time.
     
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    The apologists will never admit that Hillary is a felon. Hopefully the Justice Department will do their job.
     
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    Fair point!
     

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