The Oscars: Will the best picture pass the Bechdel test?

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Obviously, no one is saying that all films that fail are gender biased. But, the overall lack of films that pass the test is, I think, a fair indication of overall long-term bias.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/02/quiz-women-oscar-nominated-movies-bechdel-test.html?mbid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

    A limited set of results can be found here:

    http://bechdeltest.com/top250/

    "Happy Oscars."
     
  2. BladesOfSteel macrumors regular

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    darn war on women by the all the conservatives in hollywood!!

    /sarcasm
     
  3. Technarchy macrumors 604

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    People will whine about anything these days...
     
  4. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    Yes, god forbid we whine about improving equality or awareness or anything.
     
  5. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    OK, then who will put up the money for these movies, featuring strong women characters interacting with each other?

    You cannot attempt to change the tastes of the viewing public in this manner.

    You are all aware what a 'chick flick' is, and how it does at the box-office.
     
  6. chrono1081 macrumors 604

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    I think Gravity did a good job showing a strong female character (NO SPOILERS!!!)

    Also honestly I think that movie deserves the VFX oscar. Don't get me wrong I thought Smaug was amazing looking but Gravity was just insane.
     
  7. Bug-Creator macrumors 6502

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    But it would also clearly fail that stupid test ....
     
  8. MorphingDragon macrumors 603

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    Many movie ideas are tested with Film Screening.

    To put it simply, Focus Groups and how big media uses them is ****. It's not only an issue that affect movies but also Music and Video Games.
     
  9. citizenzen Suspended

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    I don't see it as a whine.

    It's an unexpected and interesting way to gain a little insight into our culture.

    While I wouldn't take it too seriously, I wouldn't dismiss it without at least a little consideration.

    We should always be open to insights into ourselves and the world around us.
     
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    Exactly, and the guys are the ones who get dragged into watch these steaming piles by the women.
     
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    Chick flicks usually have stronger female characters than action movies...
     
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    Why are two women required? Is this test referring to women's ideal position in society as equals, women's historical 2nd class position in society and how film reflects that fact, or is this about Hollywood bias?

    I don't consider this to be a valid standard from an inequality stand point. A more valid standard would be to have a woman (two not needed) talk about something other than a man, and/or a strong female lead, and then I have seen tons of movies that meet this standard. This years crop- 12 Years a Slave, Dallas Buyers Club, American Hustle, Gravity, Blue Jasmin. Older movies- Erin Brockovich, Conspiracy Theory, Judi Dench in James Bond, and lots more that I would have to take the time to list. Now that I think about it, even historical movies have women spending more time talking about their situations, than their desire for a particular man. :p
     
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    I think the point is to get beyond the "woman as hero's love interest."

    Honestly, asking for at least two women speaking characters [not talking about men] in a movie is a pretty low bar clear.
     
  14. mobilehaathi macrumors G3

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    You've clearly been corrupted by dangerous female minds. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  15. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Now this... This is journalistic integrity (yes, I'm calling you out, Fox News).

    When you can go back and correct your stories and maintain integrity like journalists should, then they may get some credibility back in the non-conservative world. Until then, the rest of the world resolved to up their standards; so up yours.

    From the New York Times, via NPR:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ave-leads-to-correction-of-161-year-old-story

    Well done, NYT.

    BL.
     
  16. AustinIllini, Mar 4, 2014
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    The Oscars: Will the best picture pass the Bechdel test?

    I'm sure the makers of all the movies receiving best picture nominations are hoping to make women appear less equal in some way.

    "Dear Big Movie Studio,

    We know you got to make the movie you wanted to make the way you intended, but we really need to you add more female characters. So if you could please go ahead and update the movie you worked so hard to make, we won't call you a sexist. Get that done, and we'll find some other way to call you a racist, or some other close minded person you don't mean to be.

    Thanks"
     
  17. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    So why exactly is the only major TV show I can think of with a strong female cast Buffy the vampire slayer? I mean if I wanted to point at a TV show with notable gay leads I'd have an easier time of it - and in comparison gays are a tiny minority.
     
  18. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    I wouldn't label the the Big Movie Studio's 'vision' as scared considering they most likely ran roughshod over the writer's and/or director's original ideas in order to create a more 'appeals to the lowest common denominator' movie which many times includes watering down female characters into socially acceptable stereotypes.

    Off the top of my head (granted I haven't necessarily extensively watched all of these shows):
    Desperate Housewives
    Sons of Anarchy
    Veronica Mars
    Walking Dead
    Star Trek (any series)
    American Horror Story - Coven (possibly other seasons too but I've only seen Coven)
    NCIS
    Law and Order: SVU
    Game of Thrones
    Girls
    Sleepy Hollow
    Bones
    Castle
    The Killing
    House of Cards (Netflix but very high profile)
    Orange is the New Black (Netflix but very high profile)
    Hemlock Grove (Netflix, lesser known series)

    Not saying there's parity but there's certainly more than Buffy.
     
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    Completely misrepresenting the problem and the point.
     
  20. AustinIllini macrumors demi-god

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    You didn't watch Sopranos, Castle, How I Met Your Mother, Game of Thrones, Scandal, House of Cards?

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    This. All of this.
     
  21. miloblithe macrumors 68020

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    Movies that passed the Bechdel test did better at the box office than movies that didn't. Are you surprised that depicting the other half of the population would engage the other half of the population?

    http://www.slashfilm.com/infographic-movies-that-passed-the-bechdel-test-made-more-money-in-2013/

    4 of the top 5 passed. #1 has a female protagonist in an action movie. #3 is about two sisters.

    1) Hunger Games: Catching Fire $423,921,280 domestic
    3) Frozen $389,095,081 domestic
    4) Despicable Me 2 $368,061,265 domestic
    5) Man of Steel $291,045,518 domestic

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2013&p=.htm

    Just because you're uninterested in women doesn't mean the rest of us are.
     
  22. bradl macrumors 68040

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    Forgot a couple.

    Heroes.
    The L Word.
    Xena: Warrior Princess.

    And everyone's cult favorite: Women of Ninja Warrior.

    BL.
     
  23. citizenzen Suspended

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    If you grew up in the 70's you had.

    • Maude
    • The Mary Tyler Moore Show
    • One Day at Time
    • Good Times
    • The Jeffersons

    Strong, capable women were easy to find.
     
  24. iJohnHenry macrumors P6

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    You know what they say when you assume something .....

    I watched Frozen Monday night, and loved it, especially Anna's "character". :p
     

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