The Pope likens ISIS to Jesus

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"Pope Francis, in an interview with the French newspaper La Croix, suggested a likeness between ISIS and Jesus by explaining that while “the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam,” it was quite possible to interpret certain passages of the Gospels, particularly in Matthews, as a call for Christians to go forth with this “same idea of conquest” in their discipleship."

http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/05/pope-shocker-promotes-socialism-likens-jesus-to-isis/

He also says various other stupid stuff that would give material for a couple more threads.
 
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if you read farther it explained what was going on it seems he was saying Christianity could have done the same thing. they have too sometimes with violence too.
His specific words, according to an English interpretation of his comments: “Today, I don’t think that there is a fear of Islam as such but of ISIS and its war of conquest, which is partly drawn from Islam. It is true that the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam. However, it is also possible to interpret the objective in Matthew’s Gospel, where Jesus sends his disciples to all nations, in terms of the same idea of conquest.”

He also said “co-existence between Christians and Muslims is still possible,” citing his own growing years in a country “where they co-habit on good terms.”

And he pointed to the many instances he’s personally experienced when Muslims have formed long lines just to attend Christian events.


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"Pope Francis, in an interview with the French newspaper La Croix, suggested a likeness between ISIS and Jesus by explaining that while “the idea of conquest is inherent in the soul of Islam,” it was quite possible to interpret certain passages of the Gospels, particularly in Matthews, as a call for Christians to go forth with this “same idea of conquest” in their discipleship."

http://mobile.wnd.com/2016/05/pope-shocker-promotes-socialism-likens-jesus-to-isis/

He also says various other stupid stuff that would give material for a couple more threads.
Oh, by the bleeding nails of Christ, can you not treat of such material in an intellectually credible manner?

You know, it is quite possible to interrogate the arguments and beliefs expressed without traducing the original source to such a degree that it is transformed beyond recognition in your post.

I see you've found something else to be angry about.
And anger is such an exhausting emotion. Especially when deployed and employed to excess. Where do these people get their energy from?

if you read farther it explained what was going on it seems he was saying Christianity could have done the same thing. they have too sometimes with violence too.
Ah, some historical facts married to intellectual integrity. Shocking....


A more accurate title for this thread would be:

Cheryl Chumley, a reporter for WND Faith, misinterprets a Pope statement as likening ISIS to Jesus, even though neither ISIS nor Jesus are mentioned in the Pope's statement.
Yes, but less us not allow the inconvenience of cold, hard, facts to get in the way of a nice bit of possibly misleading distortion.........spiced up with a little side helping of misrepresentation.....

A few centuries ago ...
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Why not say that at the outset?
 
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Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
A few centuries ago...
Well, maybe about a century ago, give or take. Though it's always a good idea to keep in mind that it's backpedaling to a more primitive state is an ever present possibility.
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And anger is such an exhausting emotion. Especially when deployed and employed to excess. Where do these people het their energy from?
The tyranny of contrary opinion is always a good motivator.
 

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Well, maybe about a century ago, give or take. Though it's always a good idea to keep in mind that it's backpedaling to a more primitive state is an ever present possibility.
A century ago christians wagged a holy war on the rest of the world?

Source?
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Oh, by the bleeding nails of Christ, can you not treat of such material in an intellectually credible manner?

You know, it is quite possible to interrogate the arguments and beliefs expressed without traducing the original source to such a degree that it is transformed beyond recognition in your post.



And anger is such an exhausting emotion. Especially when deployed and employed to excess. Where do these people het their energy from?



Ah, some historical facts married to intellectual integrity. Shocking....




Yes, but less us not allow the inconvenience of cold, hard, facts to get in the way of a nice bit of possibly misleading distortion.........spiced up with a little side helping of misrepresentation.....



Why not say that at the outset?
I get my energy from coffee :mad: :eek:

This particular pope has developed a habit of making half baked statements about politics.

I personaly believe that he should stick to spiritual matters instead.
 
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Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
A century ago christians wagged a holy war on the rest of the world?
No, but we were still sending missionaries out to convert people at the point of a gun by the turn of the 20th century. Not too long ago, we had Army of God running around shooting abortion doctors, and threatening to blow up clinics.

Don't take this as an argument that Christianity is inherently evil, and that we should defend Islam at its expense. Rather, think of it as a warning that we're only ever a moment of weakness away from being just as bad. Don't ever assume your goodness stems from the simple sake of superior standing.
 

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No, but we were still sending missionaries out to convert people at the point of a gun by the turn of the 20th century. Not too long ago, we had Army of God running around shooting abortion doctors, and threatening to blow up clinics.

Don't take this as an argument that Christianity is inherently evil, and that we should defend Islam at its expense. Rather, think of it as a warning that we're only ever a moment of weakness away from being just as bad. Don't ever assume your goodness stems from the simple sake of superior standing.
You guys are now seriously equating missionaires to daesh?
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that too.
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no you compared it to isis.
Not really.

I think you are starting to believe I am you.
 

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Gramps, what the hell am I paying you for?
You guys are now seriously equating missionaires to daesh?
Not the act of witnessing itself, no. Rather the terrible things that have been done by some missionaries in the name of God.

The point I'm making is that ISIS isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Islam. I'm not defending it, nor am I saying that we're just as bad. We're not. But we could be. The threat of extremism exists in all religions and cultures.

This is what the pope is saying.
 

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Not the act of witnessing itself, no. Rather the terrible things that have been done by some missionaries in the name of God.

The point I'm making is that ISIS isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Islam. I'm not defending it, nor am I saying that we're just as bad. We're not. But we could be. The threat of extremism exists in all religions and cultures.

This is what the pope is saying.

I'll take my 72 goats right now when I can enjoy them.
 
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Not the act of witnessing itself, no. Rather the terrible things that have been done by some missionaries in the name of God.

The point I'm making is that ISIS isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Islam. I'm not defending it, nor am I saying that we're just as bad. We're not. But we could be. The threat of extremism exists in all religions and cultures.

This is what the pope is saying.
You fail to produce an example were christians terrorized the entire world. In current times - not a thousand years ago.

Taking missionaries as an example is ridiculus.

That there is the possibilty of extremism in everything is obvious and the popes supposed point redundant.
 
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