The President Trump Real Fake News Poll

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, May 15, 2017.

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Is the continuous stream of terrible Trump news real or fake?

This poll will close on Nov 15, 2017 at 8:00 PM.
  1. It's all real.

    14 vote(s)
    27.5%
  2. It's mostly real.

    26 vote(s)
    51.0%
  3. It's only half real, but still enough to warrant the incompetent label

    4 vote(s)
    7.8%
  4. It's mostly fake news concerning the President by a left wing media.

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. It's all fake news, but he's still a bad President.

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%
  6. It's all fake news, but he's an average President.

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  7. It's all fake news, and he's a great President.

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  8. I have no clue.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Huntn macrumors G5

    Huntn

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    #1
    Is Trump continuously shooting himself in the foot, are most of his problems self generated, or is this a left wing media conspiracy unfairly hammering him every day?
     
  2. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    He's totally shooting himself in the foot. No surprise to those of us paying attention and not making excuses for him. The guy did after all somehow manage to bankrupt a casino in only a year. So the signs were there long before he took office and people like me and many others here were warning everyone. I must say though, he has imploded faster and been even worse than I imagined he would be.

    He projects an image of confidence and expertise, but the reality is much much different.
     
  3. Nefilim Suspended

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    Apparently it's being called "disruptive" now, as the clowns that have voted for him cannot man up to their choices anymore.
     
  4. darksithpro, May 15, 2017
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    #4
    The media is agenda driven, which creates distrust among viewers and readers. Now, I'm not just talking about Liberal MSM, the conservative ones are guilty as well. So they're both equally to blame, however the Liberal MSM is a lot bigger than the conservative MSM, which is just basically just FOX News, a handful of newspapers, and echo chambers like Drudge. But the BIG players like NYT, Wapo, CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC definitely carry the mega-horn with bias and show disdain for our President. It also doesn't help when Wikileaks proved collusion between the DNC and those Liberal networks, many of those whom are prime time "journalists" that where fine dining with the Democrats during the election. Now, based on those facts you know there's no way Trump can ever get a fair shake from said networks mentioned above. This is partly where the fake news comes into play.

    Second part, these stories of outrage coming out is all "hearsay". All we read is "anonymous sources", while being front page news on Wapo, then gets spread like a wild fire to the cable networks. It's trashy Journalism, because in reality they got nothing, nothing at all to impeach Trump. If you took this trash to a court of law the judge would throw it out, because it's "hearsay". There's no Proof. Not just beyond a reasonable doubt, but it even lacks preponderance of evidence in a civil case. It's really a joke.

    Third part, all this name calling is very childish. It doesn't help your argument when you call the president names like a child does. Names like "Pumpkin head", The Orange One", "Cheetos" and other more inflammatory insults. What happened to being PC and not hurting peoples feelings?


    In closing, not to be mean, or rude, but when I first got here I honestly thought this Politics forum was one of those liberal "Safe Zones" where they can be safe away from those evil alt-right trump supporters. A liberal Echo Chamber so to speak, but I found there are a few others that are impartial. There are very few of us who speak up, who defend trump and it seems like if you don't agree with the status quo here, sometimes you're ganged up on and called stupid. Isn't that a form of Fascism?
     
  5. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    #5
    What did they THINK the guy would do. He's a billionaire and a grifter.
     
  6. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    #6
    Police cases are pushed forward based on anonymous tips all the time. When the time is right (actual court case) those sources come forward. Just because people speak off the record so they can keep their jobs and continue to leak details doesn't mean they don't exist. Nor does it mean that their infomation is incorrect. The way this administration behaves and reacts actually points to it being correct as they careen from one crisis to another.

    But here, don't take my word. Or the liberal media. Take a conservative's:

    That's a Republican's view.
    http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...wing-russia-classified-leak-report/323793001/

    Can't defend the indefensible.
     
  7. darksithpro, May 15, 2017
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    darksithpro macrumors regular

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    Just one problem with that argument. The Washington Post is not the Police, or the FBI, if the anon source was truly concerned about collusion, or leaking of classified information they'd go to the FBI, or Congressional leaders, not a liberal newspaper.

    Or perhaps they're afraid to be ganged up on, because apparently speaking your mind here seems to be frowned upon, in which case I anticipate at least a dozen replies attacking me and my viewpoints in the coming hours of dawn tomorrow.
     
  8. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    #8
    No kidding. :rolleyes: Clearly my point was lost on you. Let's try again....using your logic, you would say the police have nothing because their case involves anonymous tips. Get it now?

    And you can speak your mind. Just do it politely and you'll be fine. Lots of people do it. And I think you can too. You certainly have been fine so far.
     
  9. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    #9
    "Our plan is working Sergei! We got our Yeltsin in!"

    [​IMG]
     
  10. bopajuice Suspended

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    #10
    Conspiracy.... who is involved? Who do you think is orchestrating this global left wing conspiracy? It must be global because European news agencies are also asking similar questions and reporting on how ridiculous he is. Who do you think is the Kingpin? Is it Hillary operating from that pizza place in Washington? I gotta know....

    I'd ask Bigfoot. Love to answer the question but I'm searching for the Lock Ness monster.
     
  11. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    I think that was sarcasm from Huntn, it was just one of the choices in the pool - but one quite a few would believe.
     
  12. darksithpro macrumors regular

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    My logic would dictate this is a political witch hunt, based on the fact that this was released to the liberal press, rather than the authorities.
     
  13. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    #13
    I've seen enough interviews with Trump, and Sean Spicer presentations to safely vote "It's mostly real.". Those guys seem exceptionally incompetent at their jobs, and I really feel sorry for those people that didn't vote for Trump at the US elections. And our planets environment.
     
  14. darksithpro macrumors regular

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    Oh, how nice of you guys. This stupid Trump supporter "me" can express his opinions. How nice. I'm glad I feel part of the crew here. Maybe I should get a MAGA hat and a counselor, so I don't feel triggered by all the hate filled hate mongers of Trump?
     
  15. GrumpyMom macrumors 601

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    Lol, I had to give everyone a thumbs up because I think each of you speaks of an existing truth. They all are a hot mess and full of bad actors--the media IS doing a hatchet job, the administration IS poorly run and providing the media with enough legitimate ammo to go along with their "creatively enhanced" version of events. It's disgusting. We'd be better served turning our high school students loose in these jobs. At least we'd see better ethics at work.

    It's not that all of the journalists are lying per se. I read and notice that they do unearth pertinent facts. But instead of reporting them as is, they spin the hell out of them. If you don't read with utmost discernment and check your emotions at the door, you will get led down a very narrow line of perception. You will be steered into a very specific mindset and agenda that won't serve our communities any better than the mindlessly accepting the blather coming out of Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer..

    In them, you have the administration turning around and doing the same. They are cringeworthy. Trump is a massive disappointment to someone like myself who voted for the other wretched choice, but accepted the defeat and hoped he'd turn out better than anyone has a right to expect someone who ran a con like Trump University to turn out.

    I was hoping for him to be a bit like Joe Kennedy, someone who had understood how to game the corruption in the system but was willing to take that knowledge to engineer some of that corruption out. But Trump isn't that competent. And he's swimming amongst sharks with much sharper teeth. I think there was some core of good or core of ego that wanted to resonate with voters that made him sincerely want to do that, though.

    Then there's Paul Ryan. I thought Trump was good enough reason for me to leave the party, but Paul Ryan makes me wish I'd tossed a grenade behind me on the way out. He has his own agenda and if any good could come out of this mess of an administration for the desperate downtrodden people who voted for it, his lack of basic humanity would undo it.
     
  16. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    #16
    I am surprised at the lack of Pro-Trump votes in the poll so far.

    Are they afraid of confronting their own reality?
     
  17. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    #17
    Why would you release this to the authorities?
     
  18. MacNut macrumors Core

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    At this point the only fake news is what comes out of trump or the administration.
     
  19. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Twitter

    All you need to see to verify its true.
     
  20. HEK macrumors 68030

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    Well the billionaire part may or may not be true. Without tax returns all we have is his word on it that he is a billionare. Owning billions to Russian banks does not a billionaire make.
     
  21. BeeGood macrumors 65816

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    "It's only half real, but still enough to warrant the incompetent label"

    This is my vote as it's as close an option as I saw.

    Trump is mostly awful...mostly. He would pull off a major upset if he didn't go down as the worst president in US history.

    But...the MSM is clearly hell bent on taking him down. Much of that is of Trump's own making, but the MSM has been engaged in a lot of Trump sensationalism since his campaign began, so I take whatever they say with a grain of salt while acknowledging that it's probably at least partially true.
     
  22. IronWaffle macrumors 6502

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    I want to say "mostly true" but there's a lot of churning of postulation right now, trying to assess "if this then that, but if that other thing, then...". That's legitimate but repetitive. It's kind of like dribbling the ball endlessly. That or like those old news stations with "weather and traffic on the hour and every eight minutes." It doesn't advance the story and, rather, it foments the dreads and pre-conceived notions on both sides of the issue; on the other hand, if they pause too long the issue can disappear like that thought I just had but it disappeared because that thing that spans our attention something something short.

    Generally speaking, I find that reporting is pretty solid on most traditional and/or well-established outlets. The editorial page (or the prime time programs) muck things up. I try to limit my editorial consumption on most things to longer form written pieces where I can control the tone more and focus on the content. Only with stuff like Comey or this, where there is so much coverage across the board (okay, well, Fox still limits it) I'll swap some channels and sit through the opining hosts or the bickering panels. And I don't count those as "news" -- or entertainment. More like circuses to go with the bread.
     
  23. jerwin macrumors 65816

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    Let's see. Trump fired the FBI director because he was annoyed by the trump russia investigation. And Congressional leaders-- at least on the Republican side-- are clearly interested in carrying Trump's water.

    Going through "proper channels" does nothing. Sally Yates warned Trump about Flynn through proper channels...

    Leaking to the press gets things done.
     
  24. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    I think a few may be on vacation, for confronting other people's realities in some prohibited way. :rolleyes:
     
  25. blackfox macrumors 65816

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    If you fall down a really deep hole, after a while it doesn't feel like you're falling anymore. It's not a choice offered by the Poll - but it's where I'm at...
     

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