The Problem With 2016 GOP Presidential Candidates

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  1. Huntn, Apr 19, 2015
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    It looks like another extraordinarily weak crop of GOP candidates for 2016, who if they had any redeeming qualities, as usual are throwing those out the window to appeal to their base and subvert their National appeal. This is symptomatic of the disengeniuous role they play to fit into GOP World, first saying what they really think, second altering their message to align with their base for the primaries, and thirdly, flip flopping again to regain National appeal after losing it. Bottom line, instead of just being honest and not winning National elections, they believe this dance of misdirection and dishonesty is the best way to serve themselves. It's definitely not upholding the values we supposedly hold dear,

    Example 1: Although I don't believe Scott Walker has any redeeming qualities, it appears he has shifted his position several times on immigration.

    Scott Walker Drawing Notice With Shifting Stances

    Example 2: Rand Paul on climate change: What's Rand Paul's Position on Climate Change? It Depends on the Day

    Example 3: I don't need to worry about Ted Cruz because his positions are so far right and extreme it does not matter what kind of shifts he decides to make if any.

    Example 4: Chris Christie Veers Right On Climate Change as 2016 Approaches
     
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    Called politics. Happens on both sides. I joyfully await you making a thread about people on the left changing their views too for votes.
     
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    First off as a rule Democrats don't have this issue to the extent the GOP does, my opinion. And there appears just to be one Democrat running for President, we already have ample, an excessive number of threads in existence about her. ;)
     
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    The problem with the GOP candidates is that they're all dirtbags. In a nutshell.
     
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    You'll be waiting for Godot.
     
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    Probably have a better chance of seeing God.
     
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    You don't need me. You guys, the ones with issues to direct at Democrats should start such a thread. Oh, wait, you* all ready have. :)

    *collectively
     
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    It's called not having a back bone. No one currently in the run is worth voting for, democrat or republican.
     
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    None can pass the purity test; however, Republican voters can at least choose from libertarian to Evangelical to checked-pants country-clubber.

    The Democrats, however, chose nomination by coronation and what do they offer? A foreign policy "expert" who:

    Voted for the 2003 Iraq War.
    Was baffled by chaos in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Ukraine
    Created an Islamist snake pit in Libya.
    Saber-rattles towards Russia for no obvious purpose.
    Defends the extrajudicial assassination of American citizens.

    And who on the domestic policy front:

    Supported the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
    Supported the Defense of Marriage Act.
    Publicly opposed gay marriage
    Supported NAFTA.
    Refuses to take a position on the TPA.

    Of course, Hillary always has that hopey-changey thing going for her. :p

    Looks like I'll be voting "I" again in '16, though.
     
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    It's on, she has that magical "D" next to her name, they will vote for her just because of it
     
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    Or maybe we'll vote for her because we trust her more on issues that matter to us than any republican based on the track record of the magical "R".
     
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    Make enough grilled cheese and eventually you should see God.
     
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    I didn't really look at this man before your post, but at least from his wikipedia page I could not find any extreme positions.
    Except that he is part of the patriot act crowd and therefore inacceptable.
     
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    Wikipedia isn't exactly the most reliable source of information. :p
     
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    What I find interesting on the Democratic side is that they are facing what the Republicans faced the last 2 elections: Nominating someone because it was "their turn". Didn't work out well with McCain or Romney so do the Democrats think it will work out any better than Hillary.

    As for the GOP field, at least Rand Paul will tell you what he thinks. It may be different from what he thought yesterday, but it won't be finessed.
     
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    You maintain a smidgen of credibility if you acknowledged this is a characteristic of most groups especially Republicans. ;)
     
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    enlighten me, please
     
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    The only reliable source of information is one that will buttress my opinion on whatever it is we're discussing. :D
     
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    No, that's obvious.
    About Ted Cruz, please.
     
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    BOTH groups are stuck with that thinking, worse thing is the people fall for it. makes no difference who the "nominees" are, you could put Hilary on the GOP ticket and Cruz on the dem ticket and people would not even notice their names and vote for the magical "D" or "R" for that matter.
     
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    In many cases, kinda, but they would fall over dumbfounded if Cruz showed up with a D next to his name, and some might also assume it is a typo and vote for him anyway. ;)
     
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    Enter Martin O'Malley.

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...omy-needs-sensible-rebalancing-not-pitchforks

    Happy now?

    BL.
     
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    I'm always happy when NPR is forced to bleep someone.
     
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    I'm less certain that this is not a distinction without a difference when it comes to the actual positions of each of these candidates, however. Each tries to carry some standard, but how fast will they drop that flag when the times suits them?

    Considering the flip-flops of various GOP candidates already, it's not looking good and sharp-eyed voters should pay particular attention to how fast the libertarian standard gets hidden in the hall closet.

    Slow down with that past-tense there chief. We haven't had a single caucus, much less a primary and all that talk of Clinton's inevitable reign so far is marketing bluster.
     

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