The Propaganda message from the Socialist Commrades at Gatway!

Discussion in 'General Mac Discussion' started by sickboy_osX, Aug 28, 2002.

  1. sickboy_osX macrumors regular

    Aug 27, 2002
    Pocatello, Idaho
    Right now, I am in the middle of a Online Chat Session with a Gateway Sales Advisor, I am going to post the transcript of the chat as soon as it becomes available, this guy doesnt know jack..

    ( Shon has joined )

    ( Wade has joined )

    Shon: Howdy Wade

    Shon: I have a couple questions about buying a Windows Machine over a Mac

    Wade: Hello, welcome to My name is Wade Whitmer and I will be your E-Sales advisor.

    Wade: Sure how can I help?

    Shon: How good is the new iMac like Profile better than a mac? and how is it for digital video editing

    Wade: Oh my gosh

    Wade: our system is sooo much better than the imac

    Shon: but how is it better than the iMac?

    Wade: it has excellent accessability for parts

    Shon: ok,

    Shon: What ports come on it

    Wade: connectivity is better

    Shon: Like USB? Firewire?

    Wade: sure one sec

    Shon: Why is the connectivity better

    Shon: whats the maximum armount of ram

    Wade: where the ports are located

    Shon: that it can hold?

    Wade: Shon

    Wade: hold up

    Shon: where are the ports located?

    Wade: and let me answer one question at a time

    Shon: ok


    Wade: ok lets look at them

    Shon: OK, i see it has the same size LCD as a iMac

    Wade: max memory is 1024mb

    Shon: A decent amount of Ram

    Shon: But it doesnt have a DVD Burner like the Macs Have

    Wade: max hard drive is 120g

    Wade: you can do a combo drive for $100

    Shon: And i have been talking to both Mac Users and PC Users and the Mac Users say you used a slowe version of Mac OS X

    Shon: slower*

    Wade: hahah I am sure they did

    Shon: Does it have firewire?

    Wade: yes 2

    Wade: on the front

    Wade: instead of hiding out in back


    Wade: here look at this

    Wade: we clock speed faster than the IMac

    Shon: but some people say clock speed doesnt matter,

    Wade: we have long term expandability and they don't

    Shon: All it means is you can push data through faster..

    Wade: hahah if they don't have it yes

    Wade: which means you can process your application faster

    Shon: but what about the 20 data pipes the Pentium 4 Has, as compared to the 8 that a PowerPC G4 Has

    Shon: I am soooo confused!

    Shon: All i want is a computer that is best for editing the Movies I make

    Shon: Does Apple's final cut pro work on windows?

    Wade: well I would argue then that you should be looking at a traditional system

    Wade: but if you want an all in one

    Wade: we really do stomp Imac at this time

    Shon: i have heard that FCP is the best digital video ediotr

    Wade: FCP?

    Shon: Ok, so what kind of Traditional System would you recommend

    Shon: FCP= Final Cut Pro

    Wade: at least the 500x

    Wade: oh hmmm I don't know enough about them to really have a good honest opinion


    Shon: ok, so i was reading the PC Test you guys did against the iMac

    Wade: take a look at this system

    Shon: why didnt you use Mac OS X 10.2?

    Wade: which one?

    Shon: in your tests

    Wade: we did

    Shon: you had a Adobe Acrobat File

    Wade: Apple always complains that we don't use their application and so we did and we still beat them

    Shon: It says you used 10.1.5 and 10.0.4

    Wade: which test are you looking at?


    Wade: ahh I just went there

    Shon: Whats the difference between 10.1.5 10.2 and 10.0.4

    Shon: sorry 10.1.4

    Wade: hmm that is a good question

    Shon: and what kind of Warranty would come with my systems

    Wade: one sec

    Shon: I want to buy 3 of them

    Wade: well the limted warranty defaults at 1 year poarts labor and support

    Shon: But i want them to be the best for my Digital Video Creation (I make snowboarding and skateboarding videos)

    Wade: but you can upgrade to 3 years parts labor and life of the system support

    Shon: Do you have bigger monitors, or Dual Monitor supoprt

    Shon: and video capture cards

    Shon: and how many hard drives will the 500x hold?

    Wade: hang on a sec again I need to do one thing at at time

    Wade: Now the reason we didn't use the Mac OS 10.2

    Wade: is that it was a test between a windows speed test vs a mac speed test

    Wade: after all you wouldn't be running a mac os on a pc

    Shon: why didnt you use OS X 10.2 on the mac though is what i aqm wondering

    Wade: it wouldn't likely have made a difference but we couldn't tell you as the test was done by an independant lab

    Wade: they chose the most comparable OS

    Shon: Oh ok.

    Wade: so there are many reasons for a gateway over MAC not just the speed of processing although that should be important

    Shon: oh ok,

    Wade: Now on the 500x you can have 2 optical drives

    Shon: but if i was to buy a gateway would i suffer from a Blue Screen of Deasth

    Wade: hahah no you wouldn

    Wade: oh and the 500x could hold an internal zip if you needed

    Wade: oh and 2 hard drives

    Shon: So your saying i would have the blue screen of death in windows? what about a memory dump

    Wade: XP is MUCH more stable than all previuos OS and you have better chance of winning the lotterey than having blue screen

    Wade: We do have bigger monitors

    Wade: when you are looking at video capture do you mean like dazzle

    Shon: Do you have a 23" LCD Display

    Wade: no we have a 22 inch

    Shon: and will it suport dual monitors

    Shon: Do you know how often a Macintosh Crashes

    Shon: ?

    Wade: hahah no I give how many

    Shon: and does Windows XP have protected Memory

    Shon: I dont know I was asking, if you knew.

    Wade: haha no I am not way up on Apple products and performance

    Shon: oh ok.

    Wade: an upograded vid card can support dual monitors

    Wade: one analog and one digital

    Wade: or 2 analog with an $11 converter

    Shon: ok

    Shon: What about wireless networking, do i have the option of that or do i need cables

    Shon: strung all over my office, so my wife can castrate me, when she sees the ugly cables all over

    Wade: you can add the wireless adapter

    Wade: hahaha


    Wade: ok here is the customize page for the 500x

    Wade: so you can see what changes are possible and how much they would cost

    Shon: Ok, and is there an option for Zero Configuration Networking (The Computer Automatically recognizes any computer with in 50 feet of it? and can share data?)

    Wade: this system has a DVRAM (burner)

    Wade: It comes with Pinnacle 8.0 and Pinnacle express

    Shon: Ok, and will Adobe Premere work good on it?

    Wade: hmm it should one sec

    Shon: And when Apple Releases the G5, will it be better to buy a mac or stick with windows?

    Wade: There should be a pc version of it but I don't find it in our accessory superstore

    Wade: Shon really I have to say I am partial so keep this in mind

    Wade: BUT

    Shon: Ok, I just want your opinions

    Wade: with almost the entire industry making parts and software for a pc

    Shon: I am not going to run to your Supervisor and tell him you Biased my Opinion.

    Wade: I just can't imagine going with APPLE anymore

    Wade: haha

    Wade: no I just want to remind you that I know I am biased

    Wade: It is sad because I hate to see monopolies

    Shon: I need informed descisions from informed people, i dont know too much about computers, I do Digital Videos and use my computer to edit them, and check my emai

    Shon: Do you know if there is a Microsoft Office suite for Mac OS X?

    Wade: but these days it isn't true any longer that for graphics applications APPLe is strongest performer

    Shon: or does this gateway come with office?

    Wade: No there is not a mac version of Office suite, why would they make mac progams? Microsoft doesnt make anything for Mac

    Wade: and all of our systems come with XP home

    Wade: There of course aren't mac versions of windows

    Shon: XP Home? I heard XP Home sucked more ass than a chinese crack whore, what about XP Pro do you sell that

    Wade: haha yes we do sell it

    Shon: Ok, and do you have a service like .Mac?

    Wade: and yes like all OS releases it did have some bad press from techies

    Wade: they of course were trying to make it do gymnastics it wasn't meant to do

    Wade: No, We dont like to screw over our customers.

    Wade: what is it?

    Shon: ohh ok

    Shon: Well I need to think this over some more,

    Wade: sure no prob

    Wade: I wish I was more help

    Shon: Thanks for your help Wade, you have fun

    Wade: hey you too

    Wade: call me if you need anything

    Wade: I hope I was able to help you and if you have any questions please contact me at: or 1-800-846-2036 ext 56273. My Hours are Sunday through Thursday from 8:30 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. Central Standard time.

    Wade: Go Go Gateway

    Wade: (C:

    Shon: Cheers mate!

    Wade: see ya

    Wade: (C:

    (My name is shon by the way, and i had to use my Fiance's Dell so i could use the chat program)
  2. D0ct0rteeth macrumors 65816


    Mar 11, 2002
    Franklin, TN
    despite being completely uninformed about macs he did ok. I like how he told you to get another system,, and to stay away from the profile.

    very cool.
  3. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    This comment made me use the f word outloud:

    >(wade) [Mac OS X 10.2] wouldn't likely have made a difference but we couldn't tell you as the test was done by an independant lab

    Number 1: Even independent labs should be responsable and updated tests. OS X 10.2 is the latest update. If the test is not based on the current and latest versions of the Apple OS, than the test isn't worth much.

    Number 2: I have not seen ONE COMPLAINT about OS X 10.2 being slower than anyone on OS X 10.1, especially since many people would do a fresh install. Actually, 10.2 is faster than the original OS X and 10.1 in boot time, and 10.2 maximizes what G3 computers can handle with incredible speed increases. Imagine what a G4 can do.

    >(wade) No, We dont like to screw over our customers.

    With the tests posted on the Gatelaid website, you and your company just did. Not only did you screw over customers, but you also made yourself look silly.

    Example 1: Take a look at your hardware. Tell me: Was that an original idea? If so, who created it? That's right. Apple. Don't steal ideas from others. And, if you can't come up with them, don't come up with anything at all.

    Example 2: Your tests are clearly obvious that you gave both computers easy tasks to perform. Tell me: How many people take pictures and want to save them on a computer? How many people like to edit those photos? How many people go into video editing? How much faster can you encode music on a Mac compared to a PC? Performing such tasks is hard work, and the iMac can do hard work.

    Think again, Gatelaid. Don't screw with them Apples. :D :p
  4. Vector macrumors 6502a


    Feb 13, 2002
    Re: The Propaganda message from the Socialist Commrades at Gatway!

    Now we have written confirmation that the people at Gateway are completely devoid of any useful knowledge. Wade obviously has not left the Gateway store for a while "No there is not a mac version of Office suite, why would they make mac progams? Microsoft doesnt make anything for Mac". He must have missed the pass 5 years. Oh really? You say there arent any mac versions of windows, damn i was wondering why i could never get this windows cd to install on my G4. Oh so the reason that they didnt use 10.2 is because it doesnt run on a pc, that makes sense.

    I wish that i could go on gateways site and talk to one of the reps, but i feel dirty when i stray towards pc oriented pages. I have to go take a shower, cant get stench of gateway off, must scrub harder.
  5. MacMaster macrumors 6502

    Jul 17, 2002
  6. Mr. Anderson Moderator emeritus

    Mr. Anderson

    Nov 1, 2001
    haha, very entertaining.

    I'd love to see a mac version of that to see how well the Apple people handle such questions. Good support is tough sometimes, I wonder how long Wade has been working for Gateway?
  7. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    This is what happens when your corporation's main source of information is a talking cow ;)
  8. Rower_CPU Moderator emeritus


    Oct 5, 2001
    San Diego, CA
    This statement alone is enough for me to completely disregard this cretin...:rolleyes:
  9. Nipsy macrumors 65816


    Jan 19, 2002
    Someone's has been subliminally absorbing my sig...
  10. Macmaniac macrumors 68040


    Man I laughted myself silly! That was funny!!!!! Oh and sickboy I hope you by a Mac!! Yet again it proves how stupid PC people are, I can't believe he did not know that office was on mac:confused:
    Try and get more of these transcripts!
    You should have told him that M$ does make office for Mac that would have shut him up.
  11. RicFlair macrumors newbie

    Apr 8, 2002

    I made a prank phone call to Dell or somthing one time for support and told them I didn't have a Start Button. (I was trying to get the point across I had a mac.) Anyways. I tried it again and here are my results.

    Question: Other

    ( joe has joined )
    ( Carson has joined )
    Carson: hi. thanks for choosing my name is carson, and i will be your esales advisor. what brings you to chat today?
    joe: Well, I am having some problems here with my Profile 4.
    Carson: you'll need to call tech support at 800.846.2000
    joe: Well, its just a quick question. I just want to know why I don't have a task bar or a start button.
    Carson: i don't know.
    joe: Its weird, I have this little thing at the bottom that when I go acrossed it, it kinda pops up at me. and it has this Smiliy blue logo thing going on. But no start.
    Carson: i don't know, joe.
    joe: Well damn.
    Carson: sorry.
    joe: And the other stupid thing is. Why do I have an apple logo in the corner?
    Carson: i don't know. you'll need to call tech support.
    joe: Well ok, thanks Carson.
    Carson: you're welcome. thank you. bye.
    ( joe has exited )
  12. krossfyter macrumors 601


    Jan 13, 2002
    secret city
    that was classic. good job on airing this man. i cant believe how foolish gatelaid is. i guess it shouldnt be a surprise ... i mean thier god is a talking cow.
  13. RicFlair macrumors newbie

    Apr 8, 2002
    All you have to think is.

    "Im hot for the Desktops, Gateway's new Desktops." ummm....yea...That wasent a stupid commercial or anything.

    Dear God, I hope Apple either
    Makes a commecial to retaliate there new ones.
    Or Apple Legal teams fires back.

    Either way.
  14. krossfyter macrumors 601


    Jan 13, 2002
    secret city
    hmmm Apple could file a lawsuit against them?? how so? just curious.

    but yeah i hope apple fires back too. they shouldnt put too much concern into it because lets face it they are morons....but they should hit them like the lightweights they are.
  15. Rajj macrumors 6502a


    May 29, 2002
    32° 44' N 117° 10' W

    That's funny!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
  16. vniow macrumors G4

    Jul 18, 2002
    I accidentally my whole location.
    I don't think they'll have to. Gatelaid is dying and this is their last gasp of air. They've been eclipsed by Dell and others with better design and support. They're not marketing the hell out of this for no reason. Cheers to the death of the cow! :D
  17. topicolo macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2002
    Ottawa, ON
    Hell, why doesn't Apple make ads that use info like this? They could broadcast prank phone calls to let everybody know how stupid these pc companies are. I'd be laughing my ass off. mac Office... ha! I still have a copy of MS Office 3.something from '92!
  18. topicolo macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2002
    Ottawa, ON
    Hell, why doesn't Apple make ads that use info like this? They could broadcast prank phone calls to let everybody know how stupid these pc companies are. I'd be laughing my ass off. mac Office... ha! I still have a copy of MS Office 3.something from '92!
  19. jelloshotsrule macrumors G3


    Feb 7, 2002
    i gotta say, people should do those types of conversations more often...

    i mean, i've seen my brother go into computer stores and give the people a hard time not knowing macs.... but to hear this, have it documented, etc.... just great

    thanks for sharing
  20. Inhale420 macrumors regular

    May 4, 2002
    the guy was a ****ing gateway salesman what did you expect?

    i'm glad you can tell the difference between a gateway salesman and a socialist.
  21. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    Really, topicolo? From that long ago? Amazing.
    Really, topicolo? From that long ago? Wow.

    >(edvniow) Cheers to the death of the cow! :D

    The milk has spoiled, so don't bother going there. :D :eek:

    Now how young are most of you guys/gals? Teens/20s? And you're outsmarting a 30 somethin' year old sales guy. If Mac users get that support, then what support to PC users get?

    At least the Apple salespeople know what in Jack's name they are talking about. On July 20 I went to the nearby Apple Store early and saw a Jaguar demo. A few people were watching, and the "nerd" doing the demo answered everyone's question, in most cases, better than I could answer.
  22. sickboy_osX thread starter macrumors regular

    Aug 27, 2002
    Pocatello, Idaho
    Ok, some people have asked some questions, so i thought i would awnser

    1. I hope you decide to buy a Macintosh: I already own 3. I have a Dual 1.0 GHZ, a TiBook 800 and a Powerbook G3 500.

    I have been a mac user since i came out of the womb. My mother on the other hand, when i bought her a new computer a year or so ago, opted for "The Cow Spotted Boxes" (She lives in Idaho so it makes some sense) now a year or so later, she hates the gateway (she is tired of the Blue Screen of Death.... you know...the one our new friend wade said I had a better chance of winnning the Lottery than ever seeing on my computer) she is contimplating wether she wants an iMac or a G4.

    My girlfreind/fiance/partner on the other hand uses a Dell Insperion 4100 Series that I got her for her Birthday, because she is still in college and didnt want a Mac.

    I am in my Mid 20's,

    Thanks for the replys to my post, it has been fun reading what people have said about the Commrades over at Gatelaid.

    Feel free to email me if you have any questions!
  23. Captnroger macrumors regular

    Aug 12, 2002
    We should start a new thread titled 'Post your Gateway online chat sessions HERE"

    This is a unedited session, I swear. These guys are about as smart as a bag of rocks:

    Question: Other

    ( Roger has joined )
    ( Maxine has joined )
    Maxine: Hello Roger! Thanks for choosing My name is Maxine, and I will be your eSales advisor.
    Roger: how much does the screen move? Can I adjust the height and the angle?
    Maxine: how may I help you today?
    Maxine: which monitor do you have?
    Roger: I'm asking about the Profile 4
    Maxine: oh, no those screens don't move. adjusting height? sit it on top of a book or something
    Roger: are you serious?
    Maxine: it's not an adjustable screen like that. not like a steering wheel, sorry
    Roger: Oh, okay, you compare it to the imac and I know you can move the screen higher/lower on it. Just thought I'd ask
    Roger: can I upgrade the RAM myself or do you have to install?
    Maxine: we would install
    Roger: so I would have to send it back in if I wanted to upgrade the memory later? Is the same true with the hard drive?
    Maxine: which Profile 4 are you asking about, Roger? Profile 4SE or 4X?
    Roger: I haven't made up my mind yet...are the options different for either machine?
    Maxine: yes, the 4SE has a Celeron processor and 4X has Pentium 4.
    Roger: I know Maxine, my question was about upgrading later, if I want to add more memory after the purchase, would I have to send it back to you guys or could I install it myself?
    Maxine: Memory 256MB DDR 266MHz 184-pin DIMMs expandable to 1024MB; on these types of systems, you can take to a Gateway Country Store to have them install more memory
    Roger: so it isn't something I can buy and install myself, correct? Also, do you offer any video card upgrades?
    Roger: And is there a DVD-R option?
    Maxine: correct, and no there is no place for a separate video card or DVD-R
    Maxine: Here is the webpage for the Profile 4SE, for instance. Click "Customize" on the right by the price to see what changes can be made
    Roger: OK, do you know what resolution the LCD is?
    Roger: hello?
    Maxine: 1024x768
    Roger: on the 17"?
    Maxine: 15"
    Maxine: 1280x1024 on 17"
    Roger: ok, thanks:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
  24. Macmaniac macrumors 68040


    Come on people keep em coming they are hilarious!!!! Maybe I should send that gateway Tech guy my grandpa's copy of the original Mac Office! Its over 12 years old:cool: Man these peeps are dumb:eek:
  25. krossfyter macrumors 601


    Jan 13, 2002
    secret city
    where does one go to get on the chat sessions???

    make a link and give us the time we should go in.

    we macrumors memebers should have a tag team on a gateway sales guy or gal :D

    what do you all think?

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