The real reasons of the China trade war

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  1. stylinexpat macrumors 65816

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    Pieces of the puzzle pop here and there for those who manage to catch on. Today the US requested that Canada arrest the CFO of Huawei and have her extradited to the US. This surely will piss off China to the max. She is the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei. I think last time China compromised on ZTE but this time this may be a red line for them (If you remember that was also over sales to Iran). The Chinese will probably see this as a form of kidnapping to use as a bargaining chip which they will not like (my guess that is..).

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/05/can...extradition-for-violating-iran-sanctions.html

    American tech executives most likely will not be wanting to travel to China this coming week.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...s-expert-warns-2018-12-05?link=MW_latest_news

    Petro Dollar, remember what happened to Gaddafi and Saddam over the Petro Dollar? Who opposed this before..?
    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-end-the-petrodollar-25002

    This recently..

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/gaurav...ark-by-several-trillion-dollars/#7bbbd03ad55b

    Now back to the main banking part which is very important. The US has always wanted and required that money wires get transferred via New York.

    China and Russia want to be able to be able to free conduct their business and trade with countries around the world without having to worry about US Trade Sanctions. This was what Gadaffi and Saddam wanted ( we saw what happened to them after).

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12164779

    The bigger headache for the US is that Europe is on this as well with China and Russia.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/25/eu-russia-and-china-join-forces-to-dodge-iran-sanctions.html

    Now whom on earth would have pushed for her to be arrested in Canada over Iran..? Whom is constantly obsessed with Iran at the UN ,meetings every time..? China is growing and the real reason behind all of this is not just these trade tariffs if you put pieces of the puzzle together. A strong China and a strong Russia does not work out in the interest of some parties. How do you slow down growth and power of an emerging communist country like China..?
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    Her arrest at one point caused US Futures to shed over 600 points

    https://www.thestreet.com/technology/futures-fall-on-arrest-of-chinese-tech-executive-14802075
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    We arein Syria for the same reason. Hell that is why we tolerate SA. To keep the petro dollar propped up. If the PD collapses SHTF time.
     
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    The dollar bubble has a time limit, it can't go on forever. Given the resulting crash get's more painful the bigger the bubble, we should really root for the collapse sooner than later.
     
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    it's going to be really painful no matter when it hits.
     
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    As soon as I saw the title of your thread with the words "the real reason," I knew you would be blaming Israel, if only discreetly. You must really think Israel is all-powerful as it seems, in your opinion, able to control almost everything happening in the world today.
     
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    There is something called conflicts of interest and being biased. Laws are created and polices are put into place for a reason usually.

    You must really think that everything happens for no reason. If I posted a link or story that is false (or fake news) then I would love to hear from you about it :) .
    Perhaps it is the Japanese or Canadians that are upset that China sells products to Iran :rolleyes: Perhaps it is the Canadians and Japanese who called for the scrapping of the Iran peace treaty signed under the Obama administration :eek:

    There is always a reason for everything that happens these days and quite often there is influence with backing for something to take place. Without influence and backing laws are hard to pass. In your opinion who influences and backs such laws and policies that are passed..? Quite often there is funding behind the scenes involved as well. Perhaps Cuba,Brazil,Mexico,Denmark or Switzerland have a hand in all of this..?

    Do policies create laws or do laws create policies..?

    Let’s see what happens next

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei-idUSKBN1O70HU
     
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    Or perhaps it's Trump and the U.S. (although then you would say it's Israel somehow ordering them to do it).
     
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    Or perhaps it was the Iranians that helped kill Kashoggi ..
    All is good as long as everyone is on board the same train. ;)

    It is not me saying it, Netanyahu said it himself in the past along with others.



    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...o-s-sale-of-spyware-to-saudi-arabia-1.6725044
     
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    And Trump has spoken.. If you analyze his words you will see that she is basically held as hostage for negotiations which is pretty nasty. He said he was willing to intervene but for intervene for what..? One could call this as a form of kidnapping or hostage for ransom where ransom in this case is a form of concession or compromise where she would be returned or released in return for something Trump wants out of the Chinese..

    https://uk.investing.com/news/stock...ervene-in-arrest-of-chinese-executive-1404053
     
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    It’s geopolitics, as in doing everything possible to prevent the unison of the “Eurasian land mass”. Once it is unified the US empire is done. The very term geopolitics stems from the founding of the topic at a geographers meeting in the U.K. over 100 years ago. Is the reason why America’s 800+ bases encircle the entire landmass.

    I’d read some Alfred McCoy if anyone is interested in how this singular focus has driven the last 100 years of international policy.
     
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    Not sure did not check but I know markets in Asia are up and that Xi Jin Ping spoke with Trump recently on the phone. They came to some temporary agreements which should help markets “short term”. I reckon until Chinese New Years is over. I reckon that Xi Jin Ping did not want a market crash prior to Chinese New Years. Trump needed a boost for his poll numbers so he thought it was a good deal as markets would rise and farmers with sitting Soybean stock would feel a short relief.

    You could see how Asian stocks are doing now and how US Futures are reacting now.
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    Speaking of Huawei its not just them, we've got issues here in Australia too.
     
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    As I had mentioned before the “Banking Part”. Now in the news.. Part of the main issues regarding China is what China wants to do in regards to banking with Europe and the rest of the world. Two parties are not happy about this and we know who they are.

    http://time.com/5514378/trump-warn-europe-evading-sanctions-iran/

    And more here..

    https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2182192/why-china-and-russia-are-struggling-abandon-us-dollar-an
     
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    Well, the unification of the "Eurasian land mass" is nearly impossible...did you ever play Risk? I'd take your mcCoy and counter with Homer-Dixon...
     
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    Sure did, if had Europe and Asia and were able to hold it till next round you had won (no matter would your actual goal was).

    But in real world it's hardly news, whenever Russia and central Europe worked together they were untouchable.
     
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    Are we really sure about this? Note that unification doesn’t mean conquer the land, it merely means that the nation states on it (or the “great powers” on it) need to play nice. The world is clearly shifting away from the dollar as the main trade currency, whatever replaces it on the world stage will be a de facto unifying bond internationally. The hubris of using the institutions we set up for our empire will bite us in the ass when the IMF and World Bank are forced via macro economic conditions to switch to whatever the next reserve currency is.

    All empires fall due to the compounded effects of their own making, we’re looking at the 2030’s being the decade where our chickens come home to roost.
     
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    Are you saying that every single reason Trump has stated for his Trade War is a lie? Hard to believe. :rolleyes::oops:
     

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