The return of national isolationsim world wide.

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    Brexit, Philippians Fracas, Anti-Trade Trump, France U-turn, boarder closings all over Europe.

    Not since the early 20th century has this happened.

    Conversely some parts of middle east seeking help (Syria, Iraq, Lybia)

    Political positions happening very fast recently.
     
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    I think some defining terms needs to be done here. Rejecting neoliberalistic control over economies is not "isolationism".
     
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    There is clear trends to national isolationism, more than just economic patriotism.
    There is parallels of EcoPat and isolationism, but signs of basic isolationism are also apparent if you look at voter and candidate actions.
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    not but equal??
     
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    People are not happy with the current socialist government because of the liberal reforms they adopted, it's not that all people will be voting right because they are isolationists.

    FN might have a better chance this time, but it is still not obvious that they will win.
     
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    Regardless if FN wins or not, the shift is very right. Not moderate, but very right.
     
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    What do you expect after the attacks?
     
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    Call me when the USA, France, etc. don't have troops deployed all over the world then we'll talk about "isolationism".

    I think what you're referring to is the slightest shadows of economic nationalism, but we can't even call it that unless the countries being discussed start making moves to nationalize their industries.

    What we're really seeing is the natural result of prolonged economic hardship, a turning away (in sentiment only) from putting multinational corporate power ahead of the wellbeing of country X's own citizens. Now, this can go either right or "left" when it comes to populism, but this isn't unprecedented and we'd do well to heed the lessons of history as this kind of crap happens every time the world economy tanks and leaves the masses behind while the "elites" speed ahead dramatically.
     
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    | but =
     
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    Given what Trump said, would expect some withdraw.

    The US economy is one of strongest in world.
    Population wise those not improving economically are relatively small (just enough to tip to Trump favor). Then add Islamophobia (rampant), immigration (legal and illegal), and fear of foreign involvement (mfg, undercutting, manipulation, etc), and one gets a heavy of dose of Fear and Uncertainty.

    Real or not, the mood I am seeing is isolationism.
     
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    The rich applaud the fact that we continue to blame foreigners and the poor for all economic problems. Let’s continue to duke it out over low wage jobs. Be a part of the race to the bottom. Good work, people.
     
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    Restricted (or conditional) but equal?

    Yes, I am going by the general attitudes of "we don't need outside factors interfering with my life/country", not the specific reasons.
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    where you see that?
     
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    LOL.

    40+ years of wage stagnation, and when you remove the BS of "household income", individual real wage buying power has actually decreased. More than half the population is unable to scrounge together $2000 for an emergency expense.

    THIS is the reason why the political system has been swinging wildly for the last few administrations. People are tired of this **** and went with the guy that at least paid lip service to the economic pain in the country (we know he's not going to do anything about it, but his MESSAGE was one that resonated on this front).

    Every irrational policy being discussed on trade are a direct knock-on effect of this fact.
     
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    Been longer than that! Ever since the late fifties.
    But the events leading up to the Great Recession and after underlines what you say.

    I agree with you, just pointing out these are major drivers of US isolationism, and some of the factors in other countries.
     
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    On blaming the poor for economic problems, how have you managed to miss all the rallying against welfare recipients?
     
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    Boolean, or regression models?
    Some kind of logic functions? Almost say statistical, but don't think so.
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    Oh, that. Trump did not say that much about that, but yes it is a Republican cry.
     
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    Separate, but unequal. Separate, but equally poor. Separate, but equal.
     
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    Trump is just the latest in charge. Won’t change the fact that we’ll largely continue to get emotionally wound up by the lowest common denominator instead of those at the top, perhaps because it’s easier to swing down instead of up and it makes us feel individually superior.
     
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    Well then, great notation!

    Sad but true
     
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    Economic nationalism is spreading across the developed world and the neoliberal globalists are terrified.
     
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    Terrified by all the tax cuts promised Trump and May ?

    Or by getting the 35h week removed in France ?


    These people might not be globalist, but they are the worst when it comes to being neoliberal.
     
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    neoliberal globalists sounds like an oxymoron.

    Consider oil the the biggest international traded commodity, what political party do oil support?
    What about commercial aircraft and especially military (F-35 sales)?
    What about Wal-Mart that imports nearly all of the good it sells?

    About the only sector that has clear left leaning is (no surprise) the Tech sector, but it is right leaning (for now) who are the biggest globalists.
     

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