The self propagating myth of the left wing media

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MacDawg

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Everything is always relative to where we are standing

Everyone to the left of "me" is a left wing liberal whacko
Everyone to the right of "me" is a right wing fundamentalist nut case

Everyone who drives faster than me is a crazy endangering lives
Everyone who drives slower than me is a slow poke ninny endangering lives

Everyone who drinks more than me is an alcoholic
Everyone who drinks less than me is a T totaler prohibitionist

It is how we view the world
 

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From a world perspective it may not be liberal bias, but for the US contained it is. There are quite a few instances of the leftist media harping on the right for particular issues and when the truth comes out the story simply disappears. Take the census worker with FED written on his chest, before there was even investigation the right was lambasted. After it was found out it was a fraud the media drops the whole story and its never reported on again or is found on page 16.

Obama was on a media honeymoon most of his campaign and well into his presidency until he started down a path that clashed a bit with liberals.
 

IntheNet

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What specifically baffles me is the self propagating myth that there is a left wing bias (I refuse to use the word liberal, as it is wrongfully applied).What media is that? None of the big outlets seem to be very left wing on any of the key issues.
In terms of cable left-wing bias, I suggest you listen to MSNBC Ahmed. They're a low-ratings cable news outfit that best exemplifies the "left wing bias" you can't seem to see. Numerous examples of that network cheering for Obama and his policies, news anchors infatuated, in a sick and twisted way, with Obama, and other advocacy for the administration are quite clear. I also suggest you listen to CNN, though they exhibit far less overt bias recently. Interestingly enough, if you want proof of bias in journalist financial support of politicians, MSNBC itself confirmed its own proof of bias a few years ago with its own independent investigation of journalist politician financial support (verified through Accuracy in Media):

Journalists dole out cash to politicians
By Bill Dedman
msnbc.com
updated 5:07 p.m. ET, Mon., June 25, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/
"MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties."

MSNBC Confirms Liberal Media Bias
AIM Column | By Roger Aronoff | June 27, 2007
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/msnbc-confirms-liberal-media-bias/
 

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FoxNews, Wall St. Journal, Clearchannel, Rupert Murdoch, News Corp, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Bill O'Reilly vs. 2 shows on MSNBC, Olbermann and Madow? Oh, Stephanie Miller.

Can anyone really name any other "news" or talk shows on radio or TV that are blatently out for the democrats?

Hannity has a book on how to defeat the left. The others are so biased it is silly. But, turn on your radio any day and you're bombarded with right wing media. Turn on your TV and you get either mostly neutral news or FoxNews which is outright slanted to the right.

(edit) ITN, you know that FoxNews won't hire you if you aren't a Republican right? (edit) How about conservative... make ya happy ITN?
 

IntheNet

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(edit) ITN, you know that FoxNews won't hire you if you aren't a Republican right?
(edit) MCRAIN, you know that neither Beck, O'Reilly, nor Hannity are Republicans? They're Independents! Oh horrors! I just let slip some veritas. Silly me!
 

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(edit) MCRAIN, you know that neither Beck, O'Reilly, nor Hannity are Republicans? They're Independents! Oh horrors! I just let slip some veritas. Silly me!
Being listed as independent doesn't mean ****. Look at Leiberdouche. All the guys you mentioned are right wingers btw, which was the point.
 

mcrain

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(edit) MCRAIN, you know that neither Beck, O'Reilly, nor Hannity are Republicans? They're Independents! Oh horrors! I just let slip some veritas. Silly me!
Hannity isn't a republican? (edit) Conservative? http://www.hannity.com/article/sean-s-new-book-conservative-victory/10302

On his show yesterday or the day before he was saying how he was a Reagan supporter and lifelong conservative.

Glen Beck was the CPAC keynote speaker.

Bill O'Reilly - O'Reilly has long said that he does not identify with any political party. On December 6, 2000, The Daily News in New York reported, however, that he had been registered with the Republican Party in the state of New York since 1994. When questioned about this, he said that he was not aware of it and says he registered as an independent after the interview.
 

IntheNet

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Hannity...

Glen Beck...

Bill O'Reilly...
The point here is to dispute your earlier claim, i.e.,

"...you know that FoxNews won't hire you if you aren't a Republican right?
which is patently false and one I have already shown false. Moreover, there are several other Fox regular contributors, who are long time Democrats, Geraldo Rivera among others, that dispute your assessment. Lastly, please learn the difference between Registered Independent and Republican as it seems you have some trouble with the term; Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly all claim that Registered Independent political affiliation. Matter of fact I am only aware, for sure, of two (2) Fox panelists that are confirmed members of the Republican Party (GOP).

Glen Beck was the CPAC keynote speaker.
That means only that he was a CPAC speaker, not a Republican. It might indicate he's a conservative, but not definitively. As mentioned, Beck is a Registered Independent. Matter of fact I met many Independents, Democrats, and Republicans at CPAC.
 

mcrain

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Wow, that was a lot of smoke and mirrors to make your point that they are 'registered independents' but admittedly conservatives.

Fox News president Roger Ailes was an adviser to three past Republican presidents—Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush—and reportedly secretly advised George W. Bush while running Fox News (Washington Post, 11/17/02). According to new Fox star Glenn Beck (L.A. Times, 3/06/09), Ailes told Beck during his job interview in March that “the country faced tough times…and Fox News was one of the only news outlets willing to challenge the new administration.” Beck said that Ailes added, “I see this as the Alamo; if I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we’d be fine.”

As the film Outfoxed revealed, Fox News executive vice president John Moody regularly handed down memos cheering and defending Bush administration actions. For instance, following a 2003 Bush Mideast initiative, Moody (6/03/03) wrote to staffers, “His political courage and tactical cunning [are worth] noting in our reporting through the day.”

Fox News senior vice president for programming Bill Shine referred in March (NPR, 3/23/09) to Fox as “the voice of opposition” to the Obama administration.

There’s evidence that Fox News made hiring decisions based on party affiliation. For example, Andrew Kirtzman, a respected New York City cable news reporter, was interviewed for a job with Fox News in 1996, and afterward said that his interviewers wanted to know what party he belonged to. “They were afraid I was a Democrat,” he told the Village Voice (10/15/96). When Kirtzman refused to tell Fox his party ID, “all employment discussion ended,” according to the Voice. Mara Liasson—touted as an in-house “liberal” by Fox executives—reportedly assured Ailes before being hired that she was a Republican (New York, 11/17/97).
So, ignoring all of that... ITN, can you point to any 'registered independent' but incredibly obvious liberal people that have similar air time to those 'registered independent' but obviously conservative pundits?
 

mcrain

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Matter of fact I met many Independents, Democrats, and Republicans at CPAC.
You and Beck were both at CPAC? :eek:

Well, that theory is blown. Or is it? ;)

(edit hopefully to make up for back to back posts...)

Special Report, long-billed as Fox’s signature news show, was launched to cover President Bill Clinton’s sex scandal. A 2001 FAIR study (Extra!, 7–8/01) found that the show’s one-on-one interview segment favored Republican guests over Democrats by a startling 8-to-1 ratio; after anchor Brit Hume promised to look into the problem of biased guest selection a 2002 FAIR study showed the the show had improved to a mere 3-to-2 advantage for Republicans, before returning to a 5-to-1 Republican/ Democrat slant in 2004 (Extra!, 7–8/04). Special Report’s “Political Grapevine” segment is a a roundup of news shorts primarily portraying Fox enemies—Democrats, liberals, civil rights leaders, etc.—in a bad light (Extra!, 7–8/01). The show’s regular panel discussion is typically slanted to the right as well, with conservative commentators “debating” centrist reporters.

The late Tony Snow, a Fox News Sunday anchor, Rush Limbaugh fill-in and former chief speechwriter for George Bush, Sr., often seemed confused about whether he was a journalist or politician. While a Fox news anchor in 1996, Snow endorsed GOP candidate Bob Dole for president in the Republican National Committee’s magazine Rising Tide (New York, 11/17/97).

Later, as he was ostensibly covering the 2000 GOP convention for Fox, Snow jumped up on a stage to give a speech to the Republican Youth Caucus when a scheduled speaker failed to show. Snow was followed on the platform by Sen. Trent Lott, who began with the cheer, “How about Tony Snow in 2008?” Snow left Fox to become George W. Bush’s press secretary.

On election night 2000, George W. Bush’s cousin John Prescott Ellis was in charge of Fox’s “decision desk” tracking election night returns. The network was first to declare Bush the winner in Florida, and therefore of the presidency. According to the Washington Post (11/14/00), Ellis spent part of the night on the phone with his cousins George and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, “giving them updated assessments of the vote count.” (Ellis boasted of these conversations to the New Yorker’s Jane Mayer—11/20/00.) A few hours later, Fox, and the networks that followed suit, would retract the Bush call, but the premature decision by Ellis and his team left the enduring impression that Bush had actually won the election and that Democrats who legitimately challenged that result were sore losers.

In the spring and summer of 2004, few media outlets were as relentless as Fox News in promoting claims by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry’s Vietnam record was fabricated (Atlanta Journal, 9/4/04)—charges that were patently fraudulent (FAIR Media Advisory, 8/30/04). In the month of August alone, Special Report averaged nearly two segments per night (42 segments in 22 broadcasts) mentioning the Swift Boat Vets’ charges.

During the 2004 campaign, Fox News correspondent Carl Cameron posted a story on the Fox News website containing made-up quotes from John Kerry, including “Women should like me! I do manicures,” “Didn’t my nails and cuticles look great?” and “I’m metrosexual” (Media Matters, 10/4/04).

On Fox’s news program Happening Now (2/10/09), anchor Jon Scott’s report on how the Democrats’ stimulus bill had grown larger over time was almost entirely based on an unedited Republican GOP news release. In fact, as Media Matters pointed out (2/10/09), the segment tracked so closely to the release copy that one of Fox’s on-screen graphics even repeated a typo from the GOP release.

Fox News has an affiliated website, Fox Nation; as Eric Alterman noted (Nation, 11/9/09), Fox uses the tag “Fox Nation Victory!” to trumpet such stories on the site as “Obama’s Drive for Climate Change Bill Delayed,” “Congress Delays Healthcare Rationing Bill” and “Obama’s ‘Green Czar’ Resigns.”
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3957

Do you know of any anecdotal evidence that CNN or even MSNBC engages in such outright slanting/bias?

By the way, on Fox and Friends this morning, a female reporter was talking off the cuff about her story on Hollywood celebrities making outlandish claims... She said, "They're liberals, no one listens to them..." She realized what she said and tried to cover it up... I think her script had her saying they are celebrities, but she got mixed up.
 

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The General Idea i think is from Conservatives and even Moderate republicans if there are even many of those left any more pretty much have this theroy that if its something that it doesn't agree with them its the Liberal agenda or Liberal media etc.
 

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can you point to any 'registered independent' but incredibly obvious liberal people that have similar air time to those 'registered independent' but obviously conservative pundits?
In addition to Geraldo Rivera who has his own show on Fox, I also need point to Juan Williams, political analyst; former NPR contributor, appears several days a week on various Fox shows, and has also served several times as guest host of the O'Reilly Factor.
 

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"Registered independent"

Big deal. I'm not registered as any party (I suppose that makes me a registered independent too) but that doesn't mean I'm not a staunch Democrat. And since "registered X" doesn't mean you have to vote for party X, what you're registered as doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
 

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Please

I think it's silly to try to claim that pundits such as Hannity and O'Reilly are "independent".

Radio is dominated by conservative hosts (except for public radio, LOL) and TV, for the most part, is more liberal.

Just listen to how ABC, NBC news hosts spin things.

Lets say, hypothetically, that the topic is some new health care thing for kids.

NBC would hypothetically report it as
-"Republican leaders declare intention to filibuster new Health care bill that would provide care for millions of low income children. Senior democratic officials decry obstructionist tactics"

Fox would hypothetically report it as "Republican leaders decide to block new spending bill in reaction to skyrocketing budget deficits"

Both sides are essentially telling the truth, but it sounds totally different.

Its the spin, and I notice more liberal spin on TV.
 

mcrain

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Both sides are essentially telling the truth, but it sounds totally different.

Its the spin, and I notice more liberal spin on TV.
I agree with you, but the spin on the radio is overwhelmingly and blatantly biased to the right, while the spin on TV is somewhat biased to the left (with at least an attempt at neutrality), except on FoxNews where it is blatantly biased to the right.

There is some bias on the supposedly neutral TV news shows, but it is dwarfed by the right-leaning bias on the Radio and FoxNews.
 

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There's been much hooha and noise about journalist perceived bias as it relates to either party affiliation or campaign contributions. Journalists are, or at least should be, working professionals who hold the standards of the occupation above partisan feelings.

A good journalist should be willing to engage subjects of varying class, sex, race, and political persuasion to get a story. A good journalist should be willing to speak to criminals and the mentally disturbed, the downtrodden and the successful, the smart and the stupid. And do this without personal judgement, but only the professional shrewdness to find and tell a story, bringing light to darkness and truth to falsehood.

Of course, journalists are only human, but the idea that the right continuously argues for, that only political persuasion matters and that truth is a secondary and even naive concept, is a serious mistake. Rather than celebrating the independent professional, the right has demanded that journalists adhere to one political side. Rather than cheering for a press that asks dangerous questions at impolite times, the right has asked for a lapdog media incapable to asking hard questions because it is too busy acting as PR for politicians.

If one side thinks a journalist is doing a wonderful job, he's not doing his job.
 

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So true!

The journalists should be "battling", in essence, both parties, and both parties should loathe all journalists.

In a perfect world.

Came across this interesting chart...



I realize that the most recent year recorded was 92, and it was done by MRC which you guys will surely hound as "biased", but its interesting nonetheless.

http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/mediabias101.aspx
-Lots of interesting stuff in this study.
 

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Given US Democrats are right of centre on an international scale you'd expect people who know about the world to be more left leaning than average in the US.
 

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I think it's silly to try to claim that pundits such as Hannity and O'Reilly are "independent".

Radio is dominated by conservative hosts (except for public radio, LOL) and TV, for the most part, is more liberal.

Just listen to how ABC, NBC news hosts spin things.

Lets say, hypothetically, that the topic is some new health care thing for kids.

NBC would hypothetically report it as
-"Republican leaders declare intention to filibuster new Health care bill that would provide care for millions of low income children. Senior democratic officials decry obstructionist tactics"

Fox would hypothetically report it as "Republican leaders decide to block new spending bill in reaction to skyrocketing budget deficits"

Both sides are essentially telling the truth, but it sounds totally different.

Its the spin, and I notice more liberal spin on TV.
Wow, you just used your own hypotheticals as evidence of your claims......
 

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It depends completely on your surroundings and peer group. If you hang around with a bunch of Christian nutjob Tea Party members or are an RNC talent scout 99.99999% of the human race will appear to have a left-wing bias. The definition of the political centre is completely subjective.
 

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In terms of cable left-wing bias, I suggest you listen to MSNBC Ahmed. They're a low-ratings cable news outfit that best exemplifies the "left wing bias" you can't seem to see. Numerous examples of that network cheering for Obama and his policies, news anchors infatuated, in a sick and twisted way, with Obama, and other advocacy for the administration are quite clear. I also suggest you listen to CNN, though they exhibit far less overt bias recently. Interestingly enough, if you want proof of bias in journalist financial support of politicians, MSNBC itself confirmed its own proof of bias a few years ago with its own independent investigation of journalist politician financial support (verified through Accuracy in Media)
I suppose you've never watched Fox News, eh? But there is nothing wrong with a right-wing bias, only a left-wing bias.
 

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The journalists should be "battling", in essence, both parties, and both parties should loathe all journalists.

In a perfect world.

Came across this interesting chart...



I realize that the most recent year recorded was 92, and it was done by MRC which you guys will surely hound as "biased", but its interesting nonetheless.

http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/mediabias101.aspx
-Lots of interesting stuff in this study.
This is hardly relevant.

Journalists voting patterns mean nothing. Why?

Because they are restrained by both their owners and advertisers who almost always have a right leaning, pro corporate perspective.