The Texas GOP Platform

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  1. SMM macrumors 65816

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    Caution: Do not read on an empty stomach, or while drinking beverages.

    I wonder if winning the civil was was such a good idea. There is no question that abolishing slavery was by far the biggest benefit for having done so, and worth the effort for having done so. Beyond that .......

    What we read in this transcript, is the agenda of the evangelical extremist movement. But, not just for Texas, or Oklahoma. Their goals are much broader in scope. They are trying to create a theocracy in the entire Country. This will include a re-writing of the Constitution. They are not simply doing this through prayer. As you can see from this article, they plan to attack the courts, and imprison educators, and medical professionals, who do not 'play ball'. They have become well-entrenched, and have been making inroads for several years. They have a militant arm, which has escaped the attention of the MSN. Most Americans are not even aware this is going on. Anyone interested in this subject, should read John Dean's book, "Conservatives Without Conscience", "American Theocracy", by Kevin Phillips and Robert Altemeyer's, "The Authoritarians". These books should be read in the order, Altemeyer, Dean and Phillips. Reading all three of these books, requires an investment in your time. It is probably only suited for those who have a keen interest in the subject.

    There are also a great deal of references in the Bibliographies. It is easy to get sidetracked, by following them.

    For those of you who do not like reading, but prefer to learn through other media, Christiane Amanpour and CNN produced an outstanding documentary, "God's Warriors". I found it frightening.
     
  2. themadchemist macrumors 68030

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    No, no, now many of the states preserved in the Civil War have turned out to have redeeming qualities. The real mistake was not leaving Texas out of the treaty for the Mexican American War.
     
  3. pooky macrumors 6502

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    So... what if a woman wants to abort a homosexual fetus?
     
  4. Gelfin macrumors 68020

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    Silly person. A fetus cannot have yet chosen to be homosexual, and no one will ever be choose to be gay again since they aren't letting gay people have unsupervised contact with children to molest them anymore.

    Within a few years, Texas and the United States be perfect and 100% homo-free, just like Iran.
     
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    I wouldn't get to carried away by this. Certainly not all, probably not even a slim majority, Texans believe this crap and being a Texan isn't a prerequisite for believing in it either. At any rate, I don't see most of this ever being implemented. It is, rather, a Machiavellian approach to winning the vote.


    (They don't say anything about gay grandparents...)
     
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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: the level of education in many parts of your country is nothing short of apalling.
     
  7. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    This so-called "Constitution Restoration Act" doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. If passed, it would immediately be challenged and found to be unconstitutional, even (or especially) if appealed all the way to the Supreme Court.

    Therefore, the only way these extremists could make it the law of the land would be to actually get the states to pass it as an amendment to the Constitution. Good luck to them with that.

    Texas may be run by the American Taliban, but most other states aren't.
     
  8. SMM thread starter macrumors 65816

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    I hope you did not take my comment seriously. Also, I know that the South is/has been very progressive over the 35 years, especially in the urban areas. But, even before then, the South is/has been mainly populated by good, honest and warm people. I think their long tradition with fundamentalist, 'fire and brimstone' Baptist evangelical churches, has been an anchor around the South's neck, socially and politically. I did spend many months in Tennessee. During that time, I made many road trips to some of the other states. Still, my perspective is mainly that of an outsider looking in.
     
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    Oh dear, I was kidding, too.

    But seriously.

    Mexican-American War? Maybe not as good a deal as we thought. :p
     
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    What, no one's going to defend this?

    You know the funniest part? This is considered by some to be a perfectly valid political viewpoint. And despite being completely against most of what America is supposed to actually stand for (also ironic for those who claim to be the most patriotic, not to mention despising Islamic extremists, despite wanting something similar, removing those very freedoms they tout as what makes us better), if someone disputes them they'll be met with comments about how anyone who doesn't follow along with them is some socialist commie liberal or something. The right in some places has gone so far to the right, almost everything seems left. What should be moderate is thought of as left leaning. And even though around 80% of the country is actually wanting to move away from such things, they still act as if they are the moral majority and everyone else is some fringe minority. It would be funny if it weren't for the fact that for some reason they still do have enormous political power, while the opposition still doesn't get that they're the majority and can't actually, I don't know, oppose.

    Someone asked in another thread why there seems to be such disdain for the right, which seems to have been been co-opted by the far and religious right, well, this would be why.
     
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    Thomas Veil - would you have thought, back in 2000, that the Bush administration would have succeeded in subverting the Constitution, blatantly thumbing their nose at the law, turning the DoJ into nothing more than a political enforcement arm of the administration, and the other 500 pages of corruption, I know you are aware of, and getting away with it?

    I was expecting the worse, but Bushco far exceeded my darkest fears. I do believe the threat from the religious right is serious indeed. I have been studying this for some years now. Their penetration into government, from school boards to the Presidency, is far greater than people realize. One of their greatest points of infiltration is in the military, especially at the high levels of the Pentagon.

    I have read your posts here for a long time. They are well thought out and almost always spot on. So, I expect your opinion here is much the same.
     
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    Having disdain for and derisively dismissing any viewpoints associated with are two separate things.
     
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    I'd venture a guess and say that no one on this board will defend this. Honestly, it's utterly ridiculous and I find it hard to believe *anyone* believes in it.

    Ya, by the wackos (which, I might add, make up a sizable portion of our population).

    I understand, and that's why I'm glad this article pointed out the difference. All I ask is that people realize there are still people in the Republican party who are NOT this, and who think these people are just as crazy as all of you do. That's all I ask.
     
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    Nothing wrong with having a different opinion on some issues. But that's not the case here. One can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. Just as one can believe something, but forcing it on others when it doesn't affect you is something else entirely. This kind of thing deserves derisive dismissal and disdain. It's not a legitimate political viewpoint. It's extremism. Just as extreme liberalism would be. But despite what some may say, the far left hasn't taken over their party the way the far right has theirs. Not that all conservatives are like that (not that anyone is saying they are), but these are the people currently running their party, which even some of them don't like. It's not the associations nor the associated, it's the inmates currently running their asylum.

    Not that I'm fond of the other sides guards falling asleep at their posts either.

    You'd be surprised, in the past we have had people who tried.

    But they do. And they, or those pandering to them, are the ones in charge. Or at the very least, the vocalist minority. They are who we have problems with most.

    See, now you're doing it.

    We know that. Well, most of us know that. That's why most of us would have had a problem with someone saying ALL or just not adding a qualifier. With the qualifier, especially if it can be true, you can say some and be accurate, and sometimes even say most or many, especially adding leaning afterward. It's a distinction, but sadly, at this point fairly fact based. If you aren't like this, you aren't the ones we're talking about when we say these things. Especially when being used to point out another poster making the mistake mentioned.

    You may not be like this, but those currently running the GOP, at least in some places like those mentioned in TX, are, and that's who we're talking about.
     
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    You're confusing my position on the derisive use of terminology with my position on this issue.

    A qualifier doesn't unmake a generalization.
     
  16. solvs macrumors 603

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    Oh, sorry.

    Isn't that kind of the definition of a qualifier?
     
  17. Badandy macrumors 68040

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    Doing what?


    Well, there are those who aren't, even on this forum. I know you do, and I know many others do, but some do not. I just wanted to let people know that there are still people like me in the party. We aren't all loonies who believe in this garbage from the article.

    I'm a Republican.

    I'm an atheist, pro-choice in the first trimester, pro gay rights, think you should be able to do whatever you want in the privacy of your own home, and I'm for cutting spending and fiscal responsibility coupled with lower taxes. We exist.
     
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    Why do I see this as being something that could backfire greatly? They are careful not to define which religion so as not to infringe on the First Amendment, but that does open the public display of any religion's symbol.
     
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    Ask them how they'd like Qur'an being displayed in public and tell them to revise their goals and aims. Haha.
     
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    The mixing of church and state worked out really well for the Middle East didn't it. Why don't they look at the evidence before they draft their laws.
     
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    "Evidence" and "proof" has never been something these people rely on.
     
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    First of all, thank you for the compliment, although I'm hardly the only one here to whom that description might apply. Include yourself in that category.

    As to the question which began your post: a firm no -- I did not expect anything like what we got. In fact, I don't think many people were.

    I knew it was going to be bad. Remember the kind of crap Bush was into before 9/11? Mostly tax cuts for the rich and more Star Wars (the defense system, not the movie). By itself that would've been harmful enough, but 9/11 took that folly and squared it. I have to say in that respect (and in that respect only), 9/11 was a perverse blessing, in that it seemed to give the green light to every right-wing fanatic to freely promote nation-building, war-mongering, unbridled deficit spending, paranoia, power-grabbing, and a whole host of other conservative evils.

    Why would I consider that a blessing? Because without the Republicans trying to turn this country into a Christian Iran, without them going to that extreme, I doubt many Americans would have been appalled enough to want the change they are clamoring for now. In a bizarre way, if Bush and his cronies had just been edging towards their fascist agenda instead of shoving it down our throats the last few years, we might still be heading in that direction.

    After the 2004 election I was entertaining, to a degree, the notion of just up and leaving this country. And there are times I still feel that depressed about our future. But the 2006 election and the Obama movement have me feeling a lot more optimistic about our chances now.

    I'm not naive; I know the entrenched corpocracy will be tremendously difficult to fight, if it can still be fought at all. But for the first time in a while I have my faith back that the American people do have a basic amount of decency and common sense. The part I'm still not sure about is if they fully appreciate how bad it's gotten, and if they have the guts to make the changes that are necessary.
     
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    Neocons, please. Thanks.



    As long as you know corporations aren't all bad, then I'm fine with this statement.

    What does this even mean? The last clause in particular.
     
  24. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Okay...although there are still too many of them in the party. I don't see as many Eisenhower-style Republicans as I'd like to.

    No, that would be a gross oversimplification. But the biggest ones have way more influence in Washington than you or I do. And I'm talking both parties.

    People know we're going fast in the wrong direction. They even know some of the reasons why, in a general way -- the war, lack of energy policy, etc.

    What they probably don't know, for the most part, is that the shirt they're wearing was made by a Sri Lankan or Bangaladeshi who is essentially a prisoner on the isle of Saipan, forced to work 16 hours a day -- and to have an abortion if she gets pregnant -- and that this goes on with the approval of both America's biggest clothing companies and America's government.

    They don't know that the federal government has taken away from the governors of the 50 states their sole authority to command their states' National Guard.

    They don't know that NAFTA allows corporations to appeal to an international Star Chamber that has the power to trump the sovereignty of our state and local laws.

    They just don't know that there's a whole lot of nasty stuff going on out there that they don't even know about yet. I'm sure they'd be upset about it if they did know, but even then, there's a "can't-fight-city-hall" malaise that still prevails.

    Obama has stirred up a little hope in a lot of people, but it still doesn't match the kind of national discontent we truly need. We need to be as pissed off as we were in the 1960s, and we're not...yet.
     
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    Agreed.
     

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