The United States of Fascism???

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Prof., Sep 19, 2007.

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Do you think The U.S. is becoming a fascist state?

  1. NO

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  2. YES

    56.0%
  1. Prof. macrumors 601

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    According to Naomi Wolf, Author of End of America, The United States is slowly but surly becoming a facsist state. Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

    Prof. :apple:
     
  2. wonga1127 macrumors 6502

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    Well seeing as though my school is going to start making their students wear ID badges around their necks all the time, yes. To me, it seems as if my school is trying to condition us to the future where its not 'good evening, can i see you license and registration please', its "papers please".

    But then again, my school could just be paranoid. Or I could be. :eek:

    That and the death of habeas corpus.
     
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  4. Jade Cambell macrumors 6502

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    Most definitely. For the past year or so, i've been saying that America in 2006/2007 = Germany in 1930/1931.

    Hitler hasn't come to power yet, but we're nearly there, and in another 10 years or so, expect World War III to break out.
     
  5. Macaddicttt macrumors 6502a

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    The US in no way resembles fascism. Even if it's becoming authoritarian, it is in no way fascist. You, and whoever wrote this book, really need to know your stuff before you start throwing around accusations with such inflammatory labels.
     
  6. TheAnswer macrumors 68030

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    Authoritarian plus nationalistic plus right wing = fascist. So far we've got right wing and are trending towards authoritarian. I don't know if our administration's imperialist agenda and photo-op flag waving really count as true nationalism.
     
  7. Macaddicttt macrumors 6502a

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    Um... No. That's not what fascist means. There's a whole ideology behind it. So far, there have been no moves whatsoever in ideology of either party in America towards fascism. Where are the populist promises? Where's the chicken in every pot and a car in every garage? Where's the promise of trains running on time? Where is any of this?

    Plus, if you seriously believe that the US is going to become an authoritarian state in the near future, you are a pessimistic conspiracy theorist. There is no way the another republican will be elected president next election, and even then, none of the candidates support any of the programs Bush has enacted that Wolf describes as "fascist." The American people all tired of all the things that are described in the article, and they won't happen.

    And I think Wolf left out a huge factor in creating a fascist atmosphere: a ruined country. We are not Germany paying war reparations with enormous inflation. We are not a undeveloped, unsatisfied Italy. We're not like any of these countries. When the US is no longer the richest nation on Earth, then we'll talk. Maybe.
     
  8. TheAnswer macrumors 68030

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    You're describing historical 20th century fascism, where I was arguing textbook (theoretical, if you will) fascism. A ruined country and playing to the people's fears and desires may have been the seeds and roots of historical fascism, but are by no means required for the fascism of the future to be sprung upon us.
     
  9. Iscariot macrumors 68030

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    Maybe they're trying not to alienate the vegetarian vote?
     
  10. FoxyKaye macrumors 68000

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    Well, of course it is, but my friends from Europe have been saying that for years.

    Too late now, we've given up just about every civil liberty and cashed out our international credibility - we're on this roller coaster alone.

    That is, until we drag the rest of the world on board.

    I feel so safe, though, don't you? Just like I'm being held in the arms of the mother from Pink Floyd's The Wall.
     
  11. rhsgolfer33 macrumors 6502a

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    Geez, some of you guys are really paranoid. We're becoming just as fascist now as we will be becoming communist or socialist when a Democrat gets elected next election. It always amazes me that people feel like they've given up civil liberties, etc when a leader/political ideology they disagree with comes into power (both sides inevitably claim loss of something or other); I haven't felt much difference since I've been old enough to know the difference (in my case about 10 years), and I don't imagine I will feel much difference when Obama or Hillary is president. Most people are proably fairly unaffected by what either party does, in fact I know very few people affected by anything either Clinton did or Bush did/is doing during their presidencies.

    Sometimes I wish radical people on both sides would just take a chill pill and realize moderacy is the best way.

    Oh, and I voted no.
     
  12. Djspice macrumors newbie

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    au·thor·i·tar·i·an


    adjective
    Definition:

    1. strict and demanding obedience: favoring strict rules and established authority

    2. demanding political obedience: belonging to or believing in a political system in which obedience to the ruling person or group is strongly enforced

    That's from MSN Encarta and if that doesn't sound like Bush's government and their policies to you then the American school system is in worse shape than I thought.

    Good luck with that fascism thing and try not to take us Canadians down with you. Oh, all right. We'll be right there. :eek:
     
  13. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    Sorry to those without the requisite number of posts but I've moved this thread into the Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum, the natural and proper home for these discussions. Thanks.
     
  14. solvs macrumors 603

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    We've done this before. I think we finally settled on not exactly. Something like that.

    While there are some dangers, look at the recent issues with habeas corpus, and we do need to be careful since it is a downward spiral we're slowly sliding down, we're quite a ways away from that bad. And in some of our opinions, it demeans the term to throw it around so easily. But again, that doesn't mean we aren't doing some things that are certainly fascist like/slippery slopery, it's just not quite as bad as some are trying to make it seem. Yet. As long as we stay vigilante, and stop being so complacent, we can prevent the worst. Since Bush and his ilk have lost all credibility and popularity, I don't see us putting up with this crap much longer. If it does, then maybe.

    So in other words, I don't know.
     
  15. Peterkro macrumors 68020

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    The US is a fairly unusual case,it is certainly not a fascist state,authoritarian to some extent,imperialist definitely. Internally somewhat liberal,the closest comparison is probably the old city state of Athens. Athens fate is probably a good indicator of that of the US.
     
  16. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Maybe not fascist yet, but on the edge.

    You-are-here-copy.jpg

    Naomi Wolf thinks we're surly? ;)
     
  17. Swarmlord macrumors 6502a

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    Exactly. And it's becoming authoritarian in response to demonstrated external and internal threats.
     
  18. ghall macrumors 68040

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    I think we're more of a democracy where the rich make all the decisions, which is very screwed up, but not fascist.
     
  19. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Which apparently means that those threats to our way of life are working.
     
  20. yojitani macrumors 68000

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    Although I voted yes, I agree with MacAddicttt that Fascism is the wrong word... though I disagree to the extent that the US is already authoritarian, and I don't see what difference it makes whether a dem or a republican gets in. It really doesn't make much difference, does it, that candidates don't support certain programs since they are not likely to make good on anything they 'promise'.

    At any rate, I don't see why we should be so concerned just about the US, nearly every industrialized country is becoming more authoritarian...
     
  21. Macaddicttt macrumors 6502a

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    Ms. Wolf and OP said:

    fasc·ism != authoritarian

    Fascism is just more inflammatory and completely unnecessary. The comparisons to Hitler are uncalled for and baseless. The situation is completely different in every way.
     
  22. halfprep455 macrumors regular

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    I say screw all of the 2008 candidates! The person we really need is George Carlin for pres. and Joe Pesci for Vice Pres!!!!
     
  23. halfprep455 macrumors regular

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    What other industrialized nations are becoming fascist? The US has by far the most right wing.
     
  24. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Which I'm pretty sure was the similar justification in the periods of "Red Scare" in American history. The reactionary, xenophobic, and border-lined paranoia that swept the country during those times is pretty much seen as low points in our history too. But the pendulum eventually swung back the other way just it has started to now.


    Lethal
     
  25. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Funny that we get all these impassioned defenses of the US when the word "fascism" is thrown out there, but these same people are the quickest to reach for the "socialist" label with no qualms when describing liberal policies.
     

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