The WRONG way to end abortions, Republicans ignoring statistics

PracticalMac

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If one looks at statistics and social analysis, having an abortion is not what women want to do and there are a number of methods that are proven successful to end abortions, and reduce unwanted pregnancies.

Except those solutions are against typical Republican positions.

Methods to reduce unwanted pregnancies:

It is the last which is a huge driver for abortions, and even worse.
There is never, ever any reason to vilify a woman for being pregnant.
Ironically while there are so many laws against abusing women, berating them for unwanted pregnancy is something that seems to be socially acceptable.

The insult is over 90% of Planned Parenthood provides non-abortion services. By literally throwing out the baby with the bath water statistics indicate the rate of abortions will actually increase. I really cannot understand why the urge to destroy a program with proven results.

In every way this is a religious crusade to keep the "weaker sex" subservient to men. This atmosphere of intimidation is abusive to women, but also hurts men by the less than ideal relationships.
Ironically there are passage in bible that say to spare wicked institutions (cities) even if just 1 good person resides in it.


TL:DR;
You get more results with education, encouragement, and help than a stick and harsh words to end abortions.
 

steve knight

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You keep thinking religion has logic behind it. all you have to do is look at texas with the claim their abstinence only education is working while having the highest teen pregnancy rates. blind faith is what it is all about. all you have to do is look at all the teen pregnancies going on there.
 

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Methods to reduce unwanted pregnancies:
Given that everyone in the country is supposed to have health insurance and said health insurance is required to cover birth control, I don't understand why this is an issue. They are already free so how much lower can the cost be?
 

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Given that everyone in the country is supposed to have health insurance and said health insurance is required to cover birth control, I don't understand why this is an issue. They are already free so how much lower can the cost be?
Not everyone does anyway. And the people that can't afford insurance also happen to be the ones that can least afford to have a kid.
 
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estabya

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You failed to mention abstinence as a method to reduce pregnancy.
Sure, abstinence does prevent pregnancy, but good luck keeping hormonal teenagers from having sex. Abstinence only education does not work. That is a fact. The most proven way to decrease unwanted pregnancy is comprehensive sex education and access to contraception.
 
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Sure, abstinence does prevent pregnancy, but good luck keeping hormonal teenagers from having sex. Abstinence only education does not work. That is a fact. The most proven way to decrease unwanted pregnancy is comprehensive sex education and access to contraception.
I did not say abstinence only. It is an option and should be part of comprehensive sex ed. I don't get this easy access to contraception thing. Pretty much every drug store I've been in has condoms. When I was teen and after that is where I got them. It was pretty easy to get them.
 
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estabya

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I did not say abstinence only.
I didn't necessarily think you to be advocating for abstinence only. I guess I thought that was clear in what I wrote. My apologies if it wasn't.

I was just pointing out the fact that abstinence only education does no good, as I found your post somewhat ambiguous.
 
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PracticalMac

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Given that everyone in the country is supposed to have health insurance and said health insurance is required to cover birth control, I don't understand why this is an issue. They are already free so how much lower can the cost be?
Added it because there is no guarantee it will always be free.
And another bullet always looks good :)
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You failed to mention abstinence as a method to reduce pregnancy.
I also omitted oral and anal sex.
 

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Is there a stigma in 2017 about getting pregnant out of wedlock? I mean we've glorified it to the point that "Teen Mom's" have their own show. There are plenty of statistics that point to the fact that kids who have kids are severely behind the 8-ball, but that's no one else's fault other than their own.
 

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I did not say abstinence only. It is an option and should be part of comprehensive sex ed.
Why should it be part of sex ed? Why should anyone waste time teaching something which objectively does not work? Maybe we can teach it as an example of trying and failing in the past, but that seems more like a topic for history class than for sex ed.

I don't get this easy access to contraception thing. Pretty much every drug store I've been in has condoms. When I was teen and after that is where I got them. It was pretty easy to get them.
Many communities, especially religious ones, do not have such easy access where store-owners that sell condoms are shunned. Further, there is for some reason a stigma in many communities around buying condoms (even in progressive areas). Not to mention that condoms aren't cheap - they cost more than many high schoolers can easily afford.

In my school, the nurse and guidance counselors all had bowls of condoms in discrete areas where anyone can come and take some. But I also went to a pretty darn liberal school. Out of a graduating class of over 1000, only 1 teen pregnancy. Not bad. That is what people mean when they say easy access - it means discrete, accessible, judgment-free, and low-cost or free.
 

Herdfan

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Not everyone does anyway. And the people that can't afford insurance also happen to be the ones that can least afford to have a kid.
I know I am being sarcastic, but the ACA was supposed to bring costs down and requires everyone to have insurance. That should have solved the problem.

Has it not?
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Sure, abstinence does prevent pregnancy, but good luck keeping hormonal teenagers from having sex.
Go to the 3:20 mark:

 

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I know I am being sarcastic, but the ACA was supposed to bring costs down and requires everyone to have insurance. That should have solved the problem.

Has it not?
Well last year abortions hit their lowest level since they were legalized in the 1970's so it would appear that it is at least helping some.
 

PracticalMac

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Is there a stigma in 2017 about getting pregnant out of wedlock? I mean we've glorified it to the point that "Teen Mom's" have their own show. There are plenty of statistics that point to the fact that kids who have kids are severely behind the 8-ball, but that's no one else's fault other than their own.
Ever hear of "exploitation" shows?
And even if a woman who is more than financially stable and does not want to marry will be seen by many as no better than a prostitute.
 

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I'd like to add that an explored tactic would be approving male birth control in all its incarnations.

We focus too much on female anti-pregnancy. Lots of men out there don't want to risk pregnancy and be tethered to some chick for 18 years when all they wanted was to get laid.
 

mudslag

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Given that everyone in the country is supposed to have health insurance and said health insurance is required to cover birth control, I don't understand why this is an issue. They are already free so how much lower can the cost be?

Health insurance isn't free, if you have coverage, then you still paid for it. Also have to remember that having health insurance doesn't equate everything is covered too or that it's covered at cost.
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You failed to mention abstinence as a method to reduce pregnancy.

Abstinence doesn't really work too well. Just look at the states that try to push it, they tend to have the higher pregnancy rates vs states with actual sex ed.
 
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If one looks at statistics and social analysis, having an abortion is not what women want to do and there are a number of methods that are proven successful to end abortions, and reduce unwanted pregnancies.

Except those solutions are against typical Republican positions.

Methods to reduce unwanted pregnancies:

It is the last which is a huge driver for abortions, and even worse.
There is never, ever any reason to vilify a woman for being pregnant.
Ironically while there are so many laws against abusing women, berating them for unwanted pregnancy is something that seems to be socially acceptable.

The insult is over 90% of Planned Parenthood provides non-abortion services. By literally throwing out the baby with the bath water statistics indicate the rate of abortions will actually increase. I really cannot understand why the urge to destroy a program with proven results.

In every way this is a religious crusade to keep the "weaker sex" subservient to men. This atmosphere of intimidation is abusive to women, but also hurts men by the less than ideal relationships.
Ironically there are passage in bible that say to spare wicked institutions (cities) even if just 1 good person resides in it.


TL:DR;
You get more results with education, encouragement, and help than a stick and harsh words to end abortions.
Easy access to birth control?

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$0.26 at Walgreens. For $38 you can slam 144 times. Seems pretty easy to me.
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Abstinence doesn't really work too well.
Abstinence works 100% of the time. If you don't slide your penis in her vagina she won't get pregnant.

Guaranteed.

Maybe you're doing abstinence incorrectly.
 

PracticalMac

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It is too young. Just because her dumb friend encourages her to do it doesn't mean it isn't too young. What kind reasoning is that?
I just stating the reality.

When society starts setting arbitrary expectations they become blind to reality.
There will be children who will consensually have sex (and yes, some highly reluctantly but eventually agree to, as well as worse).
Biology knows no rules, and where discipline is lacking or too rigid this will happen.
It is happening every minuet around the world, 7 billion and counting.