Theresa May to seek early election

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  1. zin macrumors 6502

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    Heir May trying to extend her rule by kicking everyone else whilst they're down.

    She's such a Tory.
     
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    Time to lock in the 20% lead the conservatives have in opinion polls I guess.
    Iirc even most labour voters think she will be a better PM than Corbyn.


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    Yes, just saw this story break on Twitter and checked it out with the BBC and the Guardian.
     
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    Well the good news - for everyone - is that after the elections Corbyn will be history.
    I am not an expert on British politics but he's an awful politician.
     
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    I have long loved that quote, and must admit unflappable urbanity of Harold Macmillan makes him an attractive Tory in my eyes.

    While the right wing Tories are uniquely nasty and downright appalling, and some of the rest of the party has more than its fair share of shamelessly unprincipled, unscrupulous charlatans (yes, Foreign Secretary), under Mr Corby, the Labour Party is an embarrassment. And has been a singularly awful opposition, failing to hod the government to account, and failing to model itself effectively as an alternative government.

    And I write as someone who usually votes Labour.

    This may turn out to be one of those elections (and it would be dreadful for Britain if it did) where the opposition gets annihilated rather than the government gets to be put under serious scrutiny.
     
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    Apparently two-thirds of parliament need to vote for an early election. Any chance they wont?
     
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    It's a wise move by her. It's almost impossible to second guess elections these days but I think it's quite obvious that despite their flaws, there is no credible alternative to the Conservatives right now.
    To vote in a Conservative majority again would silence calls that May is not an "elected leader", would reinforce the referendum result and hit Labour hard.
    The sad fact for the Labour party is that there hasn't been a Labour government in nearly 40 years that wasn't "Tory-light". There is such a wide gap between union ideals and the Blairite champagne socialists that unless the party splits in two or agrees to all pull in the same direction, they will be doomed to an eternity of in-fighting, back-stabbing and shadow cabinet reshuffling to allow the Conservatives free reign.
     
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    good choice from Tory perspective but on the other side with a running clock on the brexit talks i think it splits the attention of the UK politicians too much for 3 months.
    UK politics still in turmoil

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    on the other side what if SNP and Lib Dems get enough seats to prevent a tory majority ? it would literally throw the UK into a deadlock
     
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    I wouldn't say he's awful...... but he's much better suited to grass roots and long game politics, than opposition politics.
     
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    While innumerate people may well claim it's a second referendum it is far from that. A vote for Labour and the Tories isn't a vote for or against Brexit. And the Tories will be unlikely to hit 50%. Perhaps them and UKIP might.
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    36% don't knows is massive.
     
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    If he had any competence he'd step aside. The only people who will vote Corbyn are union members and communists. Labour need to appeal to a much broader section of the electorate than that. If they don't want to live an eternity in opposition they really need to regain some centre ground, not constantly pander to the far left.
     
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    Seems fairly consistently high for YouGov. The Observer polls give neither as an option and most of the don't know go to that. To some degree in an election people need to decide and it isn't likely all the don't knows will convert to Corbyn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opini...ral_election#Preferred_Prime_Minister_polling
     
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    Oh that's highly unlikely. Still I'd expect the don't knows to be about 10% and most of the rest to go for either Corbyn or May.
     
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    Before today Labour has already said they would vote for an early election. The majority of Labour MPs don't support Corbyn so they will see it as their chance to get rid of him. They will think they're due to lose a lot of seats which will make his position after the election untenable.
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    The SNP can't win many more seats, they already have 56 of 59. So no credible difference there.

    The Lib Dems will probably pick up a few more seats in the SW but they're coming from an absurdly low base. They're more likely to split the Labour vote than Tory. This could very well help the Tories pinch a couple of seats off Labour so the net result is not likely to help anti-Brexit voters much.

    The Conservatives will be returned to Government with an increased majority.
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    They're facing investigation not charges. That's a pretty big difference. They're probably guilty at least as far as the spirit of the law is concerned. The problem is that the CPS has to prove a breach of the letter of the law. I believe in this case it requires 'knowingly' committing the offence, so everyone will just plead ignorance. Unless police can find a smoking gun (such as emails) everybody will walk.

    You know how these things work, just like bankers nobody ever gets found guilty.
     
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    This is so exciting! the 4 options;

    1- Tories remain in power. Brexit continues in a confusing way.

    2- Lib dems in power. Tim Farron walks up on stage, all he says is they'll remain in the EU, walks away from the mic. All remain voters mindlessly vote for him and jobs a good un.

    3- Corbyn wins. But "the people have spoken" and brexit continues. Though we now have a compassionate party as the UK gets its independent powers back.

    4- Corbyn wins. But "on reflection brexit is bad" and it gets stopped.

    Simples.
     
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    As a lifelong Conservative voter, there is a snowballs chance in hell of me voting for them this time around.

    90% because of Brexit, and 10% because I don't like Teresa May and her privacy-invading ways.

    There's a less than zero chance of me voting for Labour, obviously.

    So I guess Lib Dems it is. I expect they'll get a pretty big pickup from the Remain vote. Those that deserted them last time around will probably come flooding back and they will likely pick up a few new ones along the way, like me. If they should get in, then the TM will probably go, we'll get someone new in the Tories and in the next election when this whole Brexit disaster has gone I can switch back.

    #pipedreams.
     
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    It's a shrewd move by May. Corbyn is weak and labour are the most divided as a party in years. May is just going through the motions for the next step. So far I think she's done a pretty good job, nothing overly hard or controversial. She's certainly the strongest character currently available.
     
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    Does this mean Scotland gets to vote for independence now? or is it 'not a good time'? :rolleyes:
     
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    They did it 2 1/2 years ago. General elections by form are much more common.
     
  25. zin thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I won't be voting Labour. I cannot support such utter incompetence.

    Somebody should really create a new party that occupies the radical centre. Instead, in this two-party system, we get a choice between a woman whose fetish is gaining access to the last 12 months of my web history and a man who wants to turn Britain into Venezuela.

    Is this the best we can do? Where are all the smart, tough people?
     

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