They're making a list, and checking it twice (Conservatives mull "Purity" test)

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  1. mkrishnan Moderator emeritus

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    How high is the correlation between this and those online purity tests, you know, that ask if you've ever given oral to a clown and stuff like that? :eek:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/24/us/politics/24repubs.html?hpw

     
  2. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Keith Olbermann brought it up last night and I don't have a link to the video explaining it, but Ronald Reagan would've failed the test.
     
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    Keep going Republicans! Keep going! Let's watch that 21% number shrink even more.
     
  4. mkrishnan thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    I know. We're one step closer to the magical happening of Palin/Jindal 2012 that will essentially destroy any remaining Republican credibility once and for all. :)
     
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    That would be pretty awesome. The funny thing is- they think it would work. Palin cost McCain the election, but they still don't get it.
     
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    GOP Litmus Test

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    1. Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's “stimulus” bill.
    2. Market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run health care.
    3. Market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation.
    4. Workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check.
    5. Legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants.
    6. Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges.
    7. Containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat.
    8. Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act.
    9. Protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion.
    10. The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.
     
  7. nbs2 macrumors 68030

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    Some of those are too specific. Do I support #1? Sure, I think everybody wants less debt and deficits. Do I think that the Cheney and Obama stimulus plans were both poorly implemented? Yes. But I don't think opposing the latter means you support the former. Targetting one individual specifically, or one program specifically, seems dangerous since it ignores other pitfalls.

    Additionally, they need to provide better definitions for many of those. They are too nebulous to make policy determinations.

    But, with my interpretations, I would get me some funding. Granted, these folks may not like my positions, but I would meet the requirements.

    Oh well. At least they are hastening the split of the party into the sane and insane.
     
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    Aren't these 2 a bit contradictory? I don't see how you can spend more money on Iraq and Afghanistan and have a smaller deficit.
     
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    Democrats will make of this a litmus test but I see nothing new in the list that a traditional Republican would oppose; certainly they are positions that Reagan would support... The GOP is right to be concerned; there are RINOs afoot and holding the line on the planks of the party yields a better field in 2010 and 2012. Losers like Arlen Specter, Dede Scozzafava, and a host of milquetoast candidates who run under GOP affiliation should be held to the conservative belief. Moreover, there is room here for party moderates (as NJ Governor race shows) and party hard conservatives (as VA Governor race shows). With Obama's shrinking support, the GOP will receive quite a lot of Independent interest and these 10 planks offer solid guidance for the future of America following Obama's single term. So too, quite a lot of House Democrats will be unseated in 2010 and this list reflects the sentiments of a majority of the nation...
     
  11. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Watch. Reagan failed the litmus test :rolleyes:
     
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    Very few Republicans in Congress can lay claim to this point, since nearly all of them spend like drunken sailers when King George was in office.
    Any member of the GOP who voted or supported the intervention in the Terry Schaivo case is busted on this one too. That's a whole lot of the GOP caucus.
    And any member of the GOP who supports the Price-Anderson act, or any other form of subsidy to energy companies fails on this item as well.
    Union-hate is an easy sell on the right. No problems with most of them getting this point.
    Even St. Raygun gave amnesty to illegals. Oops!
    Hey guys... you had 7 years to achieve victory in Iran and Afghanistan. And besides, didn't we already declare 'Mission Accomplished'? Are you saying we DIDN'T win?
    Again, you had 8 years to work on this, and under your watch NK deployed their first weapons despite your containment efforts. If you know of a way to be more effective, why weren't you doing it when you were in power?
    Easy call for a conservative. No shortage of anyone on that side of the aisle hating on the gays.
    Any member of the GOP who supports health care rationing by the insurance companies loses this point.
    Any restrictions? That's gonna make fools of some GOP members who support sensible restrictions.

    That's the whole point, isn't it? To produce a bunch of nice-sounding platitudes that you can't really hold up against any policy decisions?

    By my count, a strict interpretation of that list means that most GOP members of Congress fail the purity test. Which means this next election season oughta be a hoot to watch as the GOP assembles into a circular firing squad.
     
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    No one could have said it better.

    Ya know, I used to be very right wing when growing up, and then the term "GOP" was presented to me. I've always thought it sounded like some archaic mythical group like The Knights Templar, just more cynical and a club for old rich white guys.

    Litmus test. Are they so desperate that they have to put their respective supporters through such a ringing to prove they're worthy?
     
  14. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Like I said- let them keep going. They're going to be on the losing side of history. Personally, I think it's great. If they want to be that exclusive, their membership is going to dwindle. It's far too narrow a definition. Do they really think all republicans are against gay marriage or abortion? Not even Dick Cheney would go there. If they do try this- they're about to be sorely disappointed. Do it, Republicans! Put your litmus test in place!
     
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    Im with you on this. I see this and can only smile.
     
  16. leekohler macrumors G5

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    I hope they do it before the election.
     
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    Oh, yes, ideological purity programs always end well. "You know what we really need to protect the freedoms we hold so dear? For everyone to think exactly the same thing about everything and to label anyone who does not as intolerably evil."

    I think these guys might actually buy into their own phony press and truly believe they've still got critical mass to ram an authoritarian agenda down the nation's throat. If this isn't the shark-jumping moment it's very close. The GOP has officially devolved into strategy befitting a third party.

    Now all we need is for all the sensible, thoughtful moderate conservatives out there to remember that they can get out of this clown car and form a new first-chair conservative party that isn't run by morons desperately flailing around to recapture the autocratic magic of their erstwhile moron king. The PR campaign to get such a beast off the ground would be pretty trivial these days: Just depict real people saying variations of, "I'm conservative, but I don't feel represented." You'd get converts to a rational conservative party in droves.
     
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    On the plus side, at least they're calling this a 'purity list' and not 'purity balls'...
     
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    I guess I should stop hoping the GOP will return to it's senses anytime soon.
     
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    Go ahead, guys. Alienate the moderate majority. Nobody over here is going to complain.
     
  21. Ugg macrumors 68000

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    Man, it's scary when a majority of Americans start supporting a communist, all or nothing approach to politics.
     
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    Heres my registration form for the next election.

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  23. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Good for you. Mine might look the same.
     
  24. Sky Blue Guest

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    I'll take that bet.
     
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    The Republicans got dominated in the last election because of three primary reasons... after years of Bush's hawkish foreign policy coupled with his liberal views on government, financial liberalism (big spending), the country was sick of it. Two, instead of choosing a true to conservative to counteract GW's liberalism, they chose an even bigger fiscal liberal in John McCain. The result was the conservative base of the party not giving a damn about the race and not coming out to vote. Three, many people were super excited to vote for the first black president of the united states, and many just wanted whoever was least like GW. They voted far more for the man than his policies of government intervention and socialism.



    Lee, I think you, and people like you, are a bit confused about what the percentage of conservatives to liberals we have in this country.

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    I suggest you read this research by Gallup and get back to me.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/conservatives-maintain-edge-top-ideological-group.aspx



    The Tea Party movement and strong push back towards a constitutional/small/less powerful federal government is not something to ignore. Likely voters overwhelmingly dislike Obama's egregiously liberal and anti free-market policies. They overwhelmingly believe in things like personal responsibility far more than they trust the government to take care of them from cradle to grave.

    If BO continues on this ultra-liberal path... He could certainly be a one-term president.
     

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