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kasakka

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So with iOS 13 it seems that the App Store team - aka Apple's least talented - have managed to make the App Store app even worse than it already was by hiding software updates behind the user account into a tiny dialog where it's hard to get a good overall picture of the updates available.

I really don't understand why their storefront for all apps is an unusable piece of **** where you can just about barely get the needed software installed if you know how to search for the exact right thing. It's badly designed, pretty much everything is poorly discoverable and search will give you completely irrelevant results.

Mods, please move to another area if this is not the place for discussing this turd of an app.
 

Shirasaki

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You need to report your own threads to get mods attention.
As for the App Store thing, I agree. I don’t have any idea why they make sign out App Store account so difficult from App Store app, forcing me to scroll all the way down or going to settings to do so. I am not a fan of new app update thing either, both on iPad and on iPhone.
As for searching, anyone with laser focus and clear target won’t need any of those shenanigans at all, while people having no idea what they are doing won’t find their ideal apps anyway. Very bad design. We are getting used to it, but that does not mean it is an okay design.
 
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MacAlien

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They’ve definitely made the updater quite a bit cumbersome and silly but while I understand not want a tab dedicated entirely to updates, I’m unsure what would work better. :/
 
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Shirasaki

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They’ve definitely made the updater quite a bit cumbersome and silly but while I understand not want a tab dedicated entirely to updates, I’m unsure what would work better. :/
The answer is to add a tab that is destined to be less useful than update tab, which Apple then renames it to Arcade.
I really miss the old days when music app tab could be customised.
 
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aevan

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So with iOS 13 it seems that the App Store team - aka Apple's least talented - have managed to make the App Store app even worse than it already was by hiding software updates behind the user account into a tiny dialog where it's hard to get a good overall picture of the updates available.

What do you mean? It’s exactly the same to get a good overall picture of the updates available, just in a different place. And in its old place we now have the Apple Arcade which I’m looking forward to.
 
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jeblis

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They’ve definitely made the updater quite a bit cumbersome and silly but while I understand not want a tab dedicated entirely to updates, I’m unsure what would work better. :/

Auto updates that actually auto updated. I wouldn’t mind it being a bit hidden if they all just updated on their own.

Anyway it’s not really that hard to get to, it’s just not really intuitive.
 
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m.wttfld

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Understandable Move from Apple replacing Updates with Arcade. I like the new Update Tab, but it's like the iTunes Account overview under settings, it doesn't line-up with the GUI Guidelines on iOS, making it look a little bit off.

Auto updates will improve furthermore, so you don't have to open up that Updates menu anymore.
 
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IowaLynn

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I’ve stopped dreaming and hoping for best designed UI and where programs reflected the best - where programmers, not marketing - made choices and freedom to innovate.
 
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Shirasaki

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Auto updates will improve furthermore, so you don't have to open up that Updates menu anymore.
Yeah, next step is to remove update tab entirely, giving developer full discretion over when to update and when to not. Users will have zero control over their data when updating apps. In turn, they will always use the latest version of the app, even when newer version breaks features many people may still love.

I am looking forward to see how this will pan out.
 
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Bawstun

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So with iOS 13 it seems that the App Store team - aka Apple's least talented - have managed to make the App Store app even worse than it already was by hiding software updates behind the user account into a tiny dialog where it's hard to get a good overall picture of the updates available.

I really don't understand why their storefront for all apps is an unusable piece of **** where you can just about barely get the needed software installed if you know how to search for the exact right thing. It's badly designed, pretty much everything is poorly discoverable and search will give you completely irrelevant results.

Mods, please move to another area if this is not the place for discussing this turd of an app.

Each iteration of iOS gets worse as far as intuitive menus and options go. Things get further and further buried, more touches and taps to access things, it’s really bizarre.

This latest change is really strange as it buried a more frequently used tab (by just about all users) to focus on something only a select few will ever use. Really weird and nonsensical. They really do need a new design team from the bottom up IMO.
 
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bluecoast

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I really like the update tab and knowing when apps are are updating etc. Most people I know just don’t care and are surprised when their apps ‘change’ ie update. Ditto iOS updates. So I would guess that this change doesn’t really impact the majority - and Apple gets a place to promote Arcade. I’m not saying that this is great though.
 
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Paddle1

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Each iteration of iOS gets worse as far as intuitive menus and options go. Things get further and further buried, more touches and taps to access things, it’s really bizarre.

This latest change is really strange as it buried a more frequently used tab (by just about all users) to focus on something only a select few will ever use. Really weird and nonsensical. They really do need a new design team from the bottom up IMO.

I really like the update tab and knowing when apps are are updating etc. Most people I know just don’t care and are surprised when their apps ‘change’ ie update. Ditto iOS updates. So I would guess that this change doesn’t really impact the majority - and Apple gets a place to promote Arcade. I’m not saying that this is great though.
I agree with this, I think many people don't use the update tab often. They either have auto updates on or don't bother updating their apps unless forced to.

I don't really like this change, but the good news is that it takes the same amount of taps to open.
 
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m.wttfld

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Yeah, next step is to remove update tab entirely, giving developer full discretion over when to update and when to not. Users will have zero control over their data when updating apps. In turn, they will always use the latest version of the app, even when newer version breaks features many people may still love.

I am looking forward to see how this will pan out.
Up to date enduser clients are really important for keeping systems up and running. The costs for supporting older API versions because of users who don't update are really high. Also Security updates are an important thing also to apps. Auto updating is a good thing, making future development faster.
 
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Shirasaki

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Up to date enduser clients are really important for keeping systems up and running. The costs for supporting older API versions because of users who don't update are really high. Also Security updates are an important thing also to apps. Auto updating is a good thing, making future development faster.
With so many benefits, Microsoft still introduces group policy that essentially disable windows update, although this feature is limited to enterprise users only in windows 10. Out of operating system (windows, Mac etc), software update is usually absent. For example, Fire panel software is usually two or three versions older than the latest compatible firmware, which provides new features and bug fixes. Why? “If it ain’t break, why fix it?”, or stability weights far more than new features or bug fixes.
 
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m.wttfld

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With so many benefits, Microsoft still introduces group policy that essentially disable windows update, although this feature is limited to enterprise users only in windows 10. Out of operating system (windows, Mac etc), software update is usually absent. For example, Fire panel software is usually two or three versions older than the latest compatible firmware, which provides new features and bug fixes. Why? “If it ain’t break, why fix it?”, or stability weights far more than new features or bug fixes.
Because essentially, „Fire panels“ have no high API levels, that need continues fixing/updating/improvement and adaption to new technologies. Apps that have a really high deployment base and multi-platform availability need continues updates, that is a fact.
 
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sammy2066

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Each iteration of iOS gets worse as far as intuitive menus and options go. Things get further and further buried, more touches and taps to access things, it’s really bizarre.

This latest change is really strange as it buried a more frequently used tab (by just about all users) to focus on something only a select few will ever use. Really weird and nonsensical. They really do need a new design team from the bottom up IMO.

Yes, this has been consistently happening since iOS 7.
 
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compwiz1202

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Auto updates that actually auto updated. I wouldn’t mind it being a bit hidden if they all just updated on their own.

Anyway it’s not really that hard to get to, it’s just not really intuitive.
Exactly! Why even have the choice to auto update? I thought at first I did something wrong but even with apps picked and cellular on, they still don't auto update.
 
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IowaLynn

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Since latest beta, no update badge shows on App Store icon. No auto updates even waiting 3 days. When i opened App Store today, there was no icon badge indication at all - until i pulled down to refresh TWICE then six updates showed.

I rate it as totally broke and no basic function . At least when selected they do dl and update.
 
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Shirasaki

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Because essentially, „Fire panels“ have no high API levels, that need continues fixing/updating/improvement and adaption to new technologies. Apps that have a really high deployment base and multi-platform availability need continues updates, that is a fact.
Even so, the fact that enterprise users don’t care about update that much already tells something, and the main reason why Microsoft still gives enterprise user the ability to delay OS update longer than usual. In a mission critical environment, stability outweighs everything else. Here is an example: Sydney train computer system was undergoing a system upgrade one Friday night, but it went wrong and millions of commuters at Saturday morning were crowding key stations waiting for the train to come. You could argue their upgrade incident does not happen very often, but still, upgrade breaks things. Just like how developer deserts customers, customers also desert developers. Welcome to the free world.
 
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