They say that the G4 has a lot of life left in it, that is all well and good, becasue the consumer lines are going to need them. The pro line has traditionaly offered something the consumer line does not have: what is the difference now? more ram, 200mhz faster processors, come on people, that is not much of a difference. The G4 needs to have a lot of life, becasue it is going to carry the consumer line for the next 2-3 years. The pro line needs a refresh, and I think that has to be done in MWNY. The lastest sign of this is the G4 promo. They want to clear of the lines, becasue once the G5 comes out, people are not going to buy pro G4's, even at reduced prices. They could also put them in thier rackmounts, and start getting some high end servers, maybe like 10 processors or more in one server. What do you guys think?