Three types of dSLR Video/Cine Lenses, which one would you choose ??

Discussion in 'Digital Video' started by igmolinav, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. igmolinav macrumors 65816

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    Hi,

    While there was an interesting debate over if people will trade off their video camera for a dslr:
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=967289&highlight=dslr

    I was wondering if you would use any of the following wider angle lenses on a dSLR.
    If so, which ones.

    I was also wondering when and where the lens from group 1 will stop to "shine", compared to
    the "wonders" of groups 2 and 3. (Please, I am not saying in any way that groups 2 and 3 are not worth their price or their quality. I would just like to know what i am not getting for the higher price).

    The strong points of group 1:

    *Sharp Glass
    *Zoom Lens
    *f/2.8 Aperture
    *Price - Less than half of the price of any of the lenses in group 2,
    and less than one sixth of the price of any of the lenses in group 3.


    Group 1
    Tokina 11-16 f/2.8
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554035-REG/Tokina_ATX116PRODXC_11_16mm_f_2_8_AT_X_116.html


    Group 2
    Carl Zeiss 18 mm. for dSLR
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/655185-REG/Zeiss_1762_827_Distagon_T_18mm_f_3_5.html

    Carl Zeiss 21 mm. for dSLR
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/655184-REG/Zeiss_1762_848_Distagon_T_21mm_f_2_8.html


    Group 3
    Carl Zeiss 18 mm. for dSLR - Video or Cine lens
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/687417-REG/Zeiss_1839_230_Compact_Prime_CP_2_18mm_T3_6.html

    Carl Zeiss 21 mm. for dSLR - Video or Cine lens
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...pact_Prime_CP_2_21mm_T2_9.html#specifications


    Thank you very much in advance!

    Very kind regards,

    Ignacio.
     
  2. jabbott macrumors 6502

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    I would say if the focus mechanism is quiet, go for the Tokina. I've never used one before so I don't know how they sound. Obviously focus noise isn't an issue with photographs but it can be for video.
     
  3. advres Guest

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    What camera are you getting? Unless it is a 5dmkII and you are doing this for professional work ALL THE TIME, then those lens are overkill.

    If you are going full frame Canon, just get some "L" glass for the time being. You could get 3-4 lenses for the price of those zeiss and you would have a set of glass that holds value, will shoot ANYTHING you want and if down the road you want more specialty glass, you can sell them and get different ones.

    Also, rent the glass from your local place first for a day and see if it really is worth the money. Problem with these cameras is you quickly spend WAY more than body on lens and kits to actually make them more shootable for video (cages, rails, glide cams, etc). The price effectiveness of the video now is reduce and people say "but I can change lenses!" You would have been better off with an EX-3 or something if using cine lens is your thing and ouy have that kind of money.



    Right now I am using the Canon EFS17-55 f/2.8 IS ($1040) as my goto lens for video on my t2i and am loving it.
     
  4. yoak macrumors 65816

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    It's a lot more complicated to make a good cine lens than still lens. The focus ring is just one aspect. It has to be super tight and precise. The lens should also not breath much when you pull focus, a non issue with stills. If it's a zoom it need to be able to hold focus through the whole zoom range.
    I find using still lenses doable, but far from ideal shooting with the 5d
     
  5. toxic macrumors 68000

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    go with MF lenses or AF lenses with a long and smooth focusing throw. I doubt the 11-16 has a good focusing ring, usually those are in telephotos. it doesn't have silent focusing, either, only Sigma and Canon have the technology (well, now Tamron does, too, but there's only one lens with it).

    for MF glass, it doesn't have to be Zeiss or some other "brand" name. Nikkor, Pentax, Olympus, etc. all made good lenses.
     
  6. igmolinav thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Hello,

    Thank you to all of you for your answers : ) !!!

    I had already written an answer and perhaps I falsely
    pressed "preview post", instead of "submit reply".

    @jabbott - Yes, the focus mecanism is quiet. I tried it a week ago : ) !!!

    @advres - Thank you for your answer. You have also helped me with a related post : ) !!! I may get the Canon t2i, (or 550d). Yes, I would definitively like to try the lens before buying it.

    @yoak - When you say:

    What do you mean by far from ideal, what inconveniences do you find when using still lenses ??

    @toxic - When you mention:

    I tried several lenses. Their zooms and their focus next to my ears :eek:

    Nikon 16-85 VR zoom - Both zoom and focus almost imperceptible.
    Tokina 11-16 - Zoom a bit perceptible, focus almost imperceptible.

    * I tried the lenses two inches away from my ears.

    Thank you again, very kind regards,

    igmolinav.
     
  7. 2jaded2care macrumors 6502

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    I'd much rather pull focus with the Zeiss CP.2 lenses than the others, which don't even have a proper gear to mesh with a follow focus unit (much less the precise markings and long ring travel)...
     

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