Tillerson is out.

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  1. mudslag macrumors regular

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    The issue has nothing to do with the people he picked or replaced but the fact that he can't maintain a stable administration. How is that so hard for you to understand?




    Again you don't know what Mueller has or doesn't have and you know that collusion is just part of the over all investigation as it's been pointed out many many times.
     
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    I bet a lot of the whites in Appalachia, or rural parts of the Midwest would love it if white privilege was real. Unfortunately being white has done nothing to save them from the poverty and lack of opportunities many of them suffer from.
     
  3. LizKat macrumors 603

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    More to the point, how the heck to get back at least some of what he or Trump's deputy pick had sent packing.

    But as far as Tillerson's direct appointments go, if he made them (what I heard was a lot of them were refused by the White House so he may have appointed a few subsitutions offered by Trump people), they can be undone and reappointed at the pleasure of his successor, who again has to run them by the White House in some cases. First the successor has to be confirmed. Meanwhile the acting deputy or whatever his title is, Sullivan... gets to put up with the pending Tillerson appointments, I would suppose. I doubt that Sullivan gets to operate out of his own pay grade. If the appointments by Tillerson (or by Tillerson at WH urging) are still stalled... and it's not just security clearance issues... then that's a sign from the Senate that they're not likely to get confirmed. A replacement SoS might ask them to withdraw, I presume.
     
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    Well, arguably there were not that many competant candidates to begin with, the choices that were made at the start were poor, and now there even less people who are well respected who are willing to work with Trump because the Administration is viewed if not an already wreck, and impending wreck that could easily wreck their career.

    As far as Russians, just how many Russian moles do you need identified before there is a Russian connection? You want to hear something distressing? They probably were’nt even moles, they were most like known team players. Trump was in Russia during the Miss Universe smooshing himself. You think he’d turn down help from his tough guy hero?

    I think Mueller has the goods on Donny, at least I hope he does. Rule by Trump is taking the country down and I don’t think that is one bit of an exaggeration and the sooner he is gone the better. And it’s not because he’s a Republican, it’s because he is a frick’n disaster.
     
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    White privaledge has to do with a spectrum of issues including whom is offered jobs, to how one is treated by law enforcement and by the court system, among other things.
     
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    Interesting point from Vox, Sen. Tom Cotton was supposed to be CIA director to replace Pompeo.

    From the article:

     
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    I don't think any republicans want to lose a republican senator.
     
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    Although if they aren’t up for election this time they might feel more secure in their seats if the Senate flips this round instead of that being another issue for the Democrats to rally on in 2020.
     
  10. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Sure - if somebody is incompetent then it seems reasonable to replace them with somebody who is. However, the litmus test here seems to be whether they affirm Trump's position. Not unreasonable, but I would have thought Trump and his campaign/administration would have sounded out their appointees' views better. I am not sure the musical chairs at the WH is a crisis like many in the news like to report, but how can Trump settle the executive branch when he's replacing people at such a rate? if he continues to do this, the civil servants will soon learn that their bosses are so temporary they can be safely ignored.
     
  11. Gutwrench Contributor

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    So what’s the hysterical reaction about Tillerson being sacked? Is it that it proves Trump is KGB? Is it that he gets rid of people who are not effective? The AG ought to be next. The entertainment value of the Chicken Littles is priceless.
     
  12. VulchR macrumors 68020

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    Even more priceless if Trump gets indicted or impeached.
     
  13. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    No surprise. He and Trump disagreed on a number of things and with both being old-bulls in the same pen, did anyone think he'd last? In the end, it's just another example of how Trump didn't really expect to pull off the win and Rex was just someone he likely respected as a leader and thought would be a good placement. Now that time is going by and he's getting under his skies a bit more, he's re-shaping the team. Again, he's new to all this and is going to have more turn over than a season "politician" who would have had a completely different bench of experience to select from given the circles they operate in.
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    haha! you guys preaching impeachment.....please. gotta get him on something that would stick and then convince more than a handful of people to push that button. People have been digging ad digging for dirt on him and so far the worst that's come about is he banged a porn star years ago which is completely unrelated to his being POTUS and like most guys, he's into putty cats....shocking...
     
  14. Gutwrench Contributor

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    More hope over reason.
     
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    I'm not pushing impeachment, just raising the possibility (hence the use of the word 'if' in my post). I'll wait to see what Muller and the Senate have to say, and possibility after that what the courts and the Congress have to say. In the meantime I'll settle for merely abhorring Trump and most of his policies until I see evidence that he has changed.
     
  16. Gutwrench Contributor

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    Yep, and that makes her a good choice!
     
  17. pdqgp macrumors 68020

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    don't hold your breath for change. I personally am not a Trump fan but I do support his plan and policies. Anyone shocked about what he's doing hasn't been following him since his campaign. Nearly 100% of what is in motion and happening is straight from his own words and contract with the people that he campaigned on. He's not hiding anything or pulling any punches. He's going down the list of what he campaigned on and checking off the boxes and he's doing it in the same fashion as he has been doing since the the very first debate. You might not like his style and many of his supporters might not either, but he doesn't care and honestly, it doesn't matter.
     
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    "We have ways of ensuring your co-operation ..." ... :cool:
     
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    “Would you like a cigardrette, old man?”
     
  20. jerwin macrumors 68020

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    The problem with Trump is that he has his own standards of effectiveness. They are the perverse standards of a man who is not fit to be president. Frequently, they are standards which are designed, from the outset, not to further any cognizable policy goal, but instead to frustrate the policy goals of other people.

    Donald Trump is the sort of man, who upon hearing that Hilter had adopted a vegetarian diet, resolves to cut out everything except meat.
     
  21. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Another elected official did the same thing. Even wrote a book about it.

    A good question is: is doing everything one campaigns on a good thing?
     
  22. Gutwrench Contributor

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    Elections have consequences, I’ve read.
     
  23. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    I am not bothered that Tillerson is out.
    It is the way #45 does it. Despite giving up a great job and trying hard, Rex was recalled and boot-marked out the door (yes, some had a little better send off).
     
  24. LizKat macrumors 603

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    I don't think any more Republicans want to flip a safe Senate seat for an uncertain journey at the pleasure of a President, even if it were in the cards for this prez to pull out of the dive, which is possibly not the case.

    Further, if Jefferson Beauregard Sessions had it to do over again, he'd never have worked for Trump's campaign and he'd still be in the Senate right now watching some other poor sod try to thread the needle of being Trump's Attorney General, and Doug Jones wouldn't even be a twinkle in the eye of the DNC, and Roy Moore wouldn't have become the royal pain in the neck that he was and still is to the RNC.

    Not saying this crop of Republican senators is the best and brightest we've ever had, but they're not completely stupid either and it's not lost on them that Sessions has given better than he's been getting from Donald Trump, regardless of the spin Trump likes to put on it as he lashes out at poor ol' Jeff.

    Ousting Tillerson is one thing. Doing it over disagreement on Iran and putting Pompeo in there at State is very dangerous. It means Trump intends to side with Bibi and take on our EU allies over the Iran agreement. Netanyahu is tottering on the edge of disgrace and barely hanging onto his seat. Whoever comes after him is not likely to be all that fond of Donald Trump because Trump is practically radioactive now on the world stage. The only "friends" he seems to dote on are strongman types like Trump imagines himself to be. And even among those guys --Putin, Duterte, Xi, bin Salman, etc.-- there are half-nervous glances around since they (unlike Trump) realize there are more than two chess pieces on the board at a time.

    The President is out of his depth and being advised poorly. Tillerson and Trump together damaged the functionality of the State department that was meant to advise and support our conduct of foreign affairs, but at least Tillerson did have some grasp of issues and policy complexities that still escape both Donald Trump and Mike Pompeo (the latter, perhaps willfully). The abrupt exit of Tillerson does put the USA at some disadvantage in the global arena. It leaves Trump as a solo artist in a venue he despises and that largely shuns him now for his dismissive attitudes towards commonality of purpose. Maybe this is what Trump supporters mean by MAGA and America First. But, it's not how the rest of the world sees things.

    So why would any Senator, seeing all this, be willing to step up and accept or vie for a job as either next head of CIA or next Secretary of State? No one would. It's why we're ending up instead with Trump's poor choices of Pompeo for State and Gina Haspel at CIA.
     
  25. PracticalMac macrumors 68030

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    Why #45 wait till March 13th??
    Had all of January and February to boot Rex.

    (Russia)
    Oh......
     

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