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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by scjr, Jul 6, 2015.
Priceless. Note to Donald: You're imploding.
I didn't even know he had a clothing line. Who would buy that crap?
Oh yeah. Old freedom and USA job loving Donnie has a line of shirts and ties made in China and suits made in Mexico.
what campaign? just like last election he only talked about running so he could get more exposure.
The only problem is that he is getting more southern exposure than he can handle (read: making himself out to be an ass).
The only thing is, that's not what he said. He quoted the tweet of someone else: "Jeb Bush has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife," suggesting Bush may feel pressured by his wife to have sympathy for illegal immigrants because of her Mexican heritage (not that she is not a legal resident). Still, it sounds bad, and anyone who says anything unkind about illegal immigrants in this environment is going to get hammered.
The problem is that Donald Trump is the dream candidate for the Republican base. In other words: scared, silly, angry, old white people. The sort of people who rage about foreigners and Government spending, considering the origin of neither their own existence on these shores, nor the Social Security check that keeps showing up each month.
that is one amazing brush you have there.
And will always have, and will always get away with it.
Stereotypes are bad. But they do save an awful lot of time.
Which stereotypes are ok?
Here's the thing about illegal immigration; whatever problems it may cause are microscopic compared to the MUCH larger issues facing the US. Once we've solved issues like how to pay for social security, what to do about our young people being crushed by debt from usurious student loans, ending the war against our non-violent citizens committed through the criminalization of drugs, how to properly secure our country against threats from enemies that no longer use traditional hardware that our entire military was designed for, etc. etc. etc.... once we've solved all those huge issues, then, and only then, would it make sense to focus any significant amount of increased resources on preventing illegal immigrants from entering the country.
Trump apparently thought better of the comment and deleted it, but I think you're correct about the context.
The thing is, at best, Trump's comments about unauthorized immigrants is a clear case of punching downward while conflating drug smuggling, immigration, and binational trade agreements together as if they're all exactly the same thing.
As I've said earlier, unauthorized immigration is largely problem of two separate issues: one, economics and the second, declining states. It's easy to conflate, for instance, Syrians coming to Texas because they're running from Assad's regime with economic migrants from Latin America, however, they are part and parcel very different.
So, prevention doesn't solve anything and instead, wastes energy and resources that could be used to "properly secure" the country.
What we need to do it change the INA to get rid of national quotas (there's no reason that a Mexican or Filipino immigrant should wait 17 years to come the U.S. legally), create a new visa system for migrant farm workers, allow current unauthorized immigrants to sign up to a new system that checks their backgrounds, charges a fee, and then allows them to stay in the country.
That may (or may not) be a good solution, but it misses my point. The problems caused by illegal immigrants are minuscule compared to the MUUUUUCH larger problems we face, so any additional resources spent on addressing immigration would be better spent on the much larger issues we need to fix. And for that exact reason, any candidate who makes immigration a significant subject of his or her political platform is clearly demonstrating that they would make a terrible president.
Well. So far republicans = scared, silly,angry old wHite people
Well obviously there are many Republicans who are none of the above.
But if you look at Donald Trump's polling numbers, he's currently second among Republican candidates for the Iowa caucuses. And if you dig a little deeper into who participates in the Republican Iowa caucuses, you'll see that they are overwhelmingly old and white. I'll leave the silly, scared, and angry part to your imagination. But IMHO anyone who thinks that building a wall across our southern border will solve all our problems has a pretty good claim on silly, scared and angry. N'est-ce pas?
I don't think you know Donald like you think you do. Donald likes banging models, being rich and public attention. Everything else is garnish.
All of that may be true.
The problem is that a not-insignificant fraction of the Republican electorate sees somebody like that as being in any way qualified to be their party's nominee for President of the United States.
You're jumping the gun. Last I checked the primaries haven't even started so Trumps public support hasn't really been tested.
We at least know that his support has been paid for.
Perhaps he is taking a page out of the Joker's playbook (read: Jack Nicholson), in giving away money on the streets of Gotham to get his support.
Technically the Joker didn't give away money.
However your point is correct in these ultra rich candidates are masters of astroturfing because of their bottomless bank accounts.
Hell, if I promised unlimited ice cream I could probably get 1000 people to show up and listen to me talk about Star Wars for two hours.
Blame it on the corn. At some point, Children of the Corn grow up to be Grand Parents of the Corn. So maybe there is a correlation with being silly, scared and angry.
Ted Cruze and Marco Rubio or Carly Fiorina ?