Time Line for Terri 1900 - 2002

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by kenneth, Mar 24, 2005.

  1. kenneth macrumors newbie

    Mar 12, 2005
    Here is the timeline for Terri.


    Feb - Terri Collapses in her home

    May - Terri discharged from Humana Hospital in St Petersburg, Florida.

    Dec - Terri taken to California for experimental implant


    Feb - Terri moved to home with husband.

    Jan - Terri moved to Bradenton Mediplex Rehabilitation Center.

    Apr - Terri's condition is assessed as improving.

    Apr - Terri's husband advised to move her to Gainesville Rehabilitation Center to receive advanced therapy to continue Terri's recovery.

    Jul - Terri moved to Sable Palms Nursing Home.


    Aug - Terri awarded $250,000 in malpractice settlement.

    Nov - Terri awarded $1.4 million in malpractice trial.

    Nov - Michael Schiavo awarded $600,000 in malpractice trial.

    Up until this point Micheal was trying to help terri
    He just got the settlement now read on


    Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment.

    Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri.

    Feb - Schiavo withholds medical information from Terri's parents.

    Feb - Schiavo posts Do not Resuscitate order in Terri's medical chart.

    Jun - Schiavo threatens Schindler family with lawsuit.

    Aug - Schiavo orders medical staff not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.

    Still no mention of her wishes being to die

    Sep - Bob and Mary Schindler petition courts to remove Schiavo as Terri's guardian.

    Nov - Schiavo admits in deposition that he knew withholding treatment of infection could result in Terri's death.


    Feb - Judge Penick dismisses guardianship suit.

    Apr - Terri moved to Palm Gardens Nursing Home.


    Sep - Schiavo orders Palm Gardens not to treat Terri for potentially fatal infection.

    Was that her wish not to be treated?


    Jun - Terri's parents obtain court order for access to Terri's medical records.


    May - Judge Shames approves Schiavo action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

    Jul - Schiavo's engagement to Jodi Centonze announced.

    Aug - Attorney Felos's letter notifying Terri's parents of action to remove Terri's nutrition and hydration.

    He is engaged and now wants her to die


    Jun - Guardian ad Litem appointed by court to investigate Terri's case.

    Dec - Guardian ad Litem recommends the court not approve Schiavo's petition.


    Feb - Attorney George Felos files bias charges against Guardian ad Litem.

    Jun - Guardian ad Litem dismissed by the court.


    Jan - Judge Greer Conducts Terri’s Feeding Tube Removal Trial.

    Feb - Greer Rules to Remove Nutrition Feeding Tube.

    Feb – Affidavits filed by 3 doctors state Terri can swallow and is not PVS.

    Feb - Greer denies petition to allow Terri swallowing tests.

    Apr - Terri Moved from Palm Gardens Nursing Home to Hospice Facility.

    Apr - Greer denies motion to return Terri to Palm Garden Nursing home.

    Apr - Greer imposes restricted visitor list for Terri.

    Jul - Appeal filed with Appellate Court to overturn Greer’s verdict.

    Nov - Appellate Court Conducts Oral Arguments.


    Jan 25 - The appellate court upholds Judge Greer’s ruling to remove Terri's feeding..

    Feb. 8 - Motion for an Appellate Court rehearing or clarification - Denied.

    Mar 12 - Schiavo petitions to remove Terri’s feeding immediately.

    Mar 23 - Florida Supreme Court denies motion with the to review Terri's case.

    Mar 22 - Appellate Court issued a 30 day execution stay.

    Mar 29 - Judge Greer moves up feeding removal date to April 20, 2001.

    Apr 1 - The Appellate Court denies extending Terri's stay of execution.

    Apr 12 - Attorney Anderson files motion disqualify Judge Greer.

    Apr 16 - Judge Greer denies disqualification motion.

    Apr 18 - The Florida Supreme Court refuses to hear Terri’s case & denies Stay.

    Apr 19 - The Federal Court claimed the issue was beyond that court's jurisdiction.

    Apr 23 - The US Supreme Court refused to hear Terri’s case.

    Apr 24 - Terri Feeding was terminated.

    Apr 25 - Schiavo bans Terri brother and sister from visiting Terri.

    Apr 25 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) reveals Schiavo lied about Terri’s death wishes.

    Apr 26 - Judge Greer refuses to hear new evidence about Schiavo’s lying.

    Apr 26 - New evidence compels Civil court Judge Quesada to resume Terri's feeding.

    Apr 30 - Schiavo files an emergency motion to have Terri's nutritional feeding stopped.

    May 7 - Affidavit filed by Dr. Hammesfahr (neurology) states Terri is not in a PVS.

    May 7 - Schiavo charged in the Civil Court with fraud.

    May 8 - Schiavo ex girlfriend (Cyndi) refuses to testify for fear of Schiavo.

    May 9 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals announces "Oral Arguments Hearing" date.

    May 11 - Schiavo motion to negate Judge Quesada's order denied.

    Jun 1 - Affidavits by five (5) Doctors were filed stating Terri was not in a PVS.

    Jun 1 - Schiavo excused from rendering his deposition.

    Jun 18 - Schiavo files an affidavit that Terri is in an irreversible vegetative.

    Jun 21 - Chief Judge Demers gave Judge George Greer's Court authority to decide whether Terri should have any new medical evaluation or treatment.

    Jun 25 - A three-member panel presided at the Appellate Court hearing.

    Jul 11 - The Appellate Court ordered Greer court to conduct evidentiary hearings. The court denied Schiavo's attorneys request to order Terri's feeding stopped.

    July 23 - Schiavo filed a motion for Judge Greer to immediately stop Terri's feeding.

    Aug 7 - Judge Greer totally ignored or rationalized all the evidence presented to him. Orders Terri's feeding stopped on August 28, 2001.

    Aug 10 - Attorney Anderson motion to disqualify Judge Greer denied.

    Aug 14 - Greer denies request for Conducting Terri Medical Examinations.

    Aug 16 - Attorney Anderson files a Notice of Appeal with the 2nd District Appeal Court.

    Aug 17 - Judge Greer grants Terri a stay of execution until October 9, 2001.

    Aug 20 - Schiavo files with the 2nd District Appeal Court to overrule Judge Greer stay.

    Oct 7 - 2nd District Appeal Court orders Terri to be neurological tested.

    Oct 23 - Schiavo files a motion to reverse the Appellate Court neurological tests order.

    Nov 1 - The 2nd District Court of Appeals denies Schiavo's motion..

    Nov 16 - Terri's medical testing plan will be determined before a mediator.

    Dec 19 - Attorneys meet with a mediator in an attempt to agree upon the tests .


    Jan 18 - Mediated agreement failed, testing is back Greer’s courtroom to be resolved.

    Jan 25 - Attorney Anderson petitioned the court for an evidentiary guardianship hearing.

    Jan 29 - Judge Greer approved Schiavo's motion to cancel the evidentiary hearing.

    Feb 7 - Schiavo files with the Florida Supreme Court to overturn the Appellate Court's October ruling which spared Terri's life.

    Mar 14 - The Florida Supreme Court denied Michael Schiavo’s appeal.

    Jun 19 - Schiavo objects to the medical and neurological testing.

    Jul 1 - Judge Greer conducted a 3+ hr hearing involving three issues:
    1. Schiavo’s Plan to Enroll Terri into a Medicaid Program
    2 Termination of Schiavo's Attorney Fees
    3. Equal Payment for Terri's Examining Doctors

    Jul 10 - Court Hearing again was for the purpose of allowing certain medical tests that were requested to evaluate Terri’s true medical and neurological condition.

    Jul 12 - Judge Greer ruled -not-to-pay- Terri’s doctors for their professional fees to examine Terri. Notably, in a previous hearing, Judge Greer -approved- payment for Schiavo’s doctors fees.

    Jul 22 - Judge Greer approved three of Terri’s desired neurological tests and rejected a dozen other.

    Aug 28 - Judge Greer established the dates for Terri's trial.

    Oct 2 - Schiavo files petition to prohibit the media from seeing Terri’s recent neurological examination videotapes or airing the video’s to the public after they have been presented to the court as evidence.

    Why is this being hidden?

    Oct 2 - Schiavo petitioned the court to authorize Terri’s cremation.

    Oct 11-22 Terri’s trial

    Nov15 - Judge Greer conducted a hearing in response to a motion Attorney Anderson filed requesting time to investigate recent evidence suggesting Terri’s heart failure may have been caused by physical abuse.

    Nov 22 - Greer orders Terri’s starvation death to begin on Jan 3, 2003.

    Dec 9 - Attorney Anderson filed a ‘Notice of Appeal’ to the 2nd District Appellate Court.

    Dec 9- Attorney Anderson filed a motion with Judge Greer to ‘stay’ the January 3rd feeding termination date.

    Dec 10 - Schiavo filed a motion with Judge Greer to strike attorney Anderson’s motion to ‘stay,’ requesting a court hearing to argue his objection.

    Dec 13 - Judge Greer acquiesced to Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to conduct a hearing, which resulted in a ‘stay’ being granted, pending appellate resolution.

    Dec 18 - Schiavo filed a motion with the 2nd District Appellate Court to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13th order.

    Dec 23 - The 2nd Appellate Court denied Michael Schiavo’s attorney motion to overturn Judge Greer’s December 13, 2002 ‘stay’ order. Furthermore, the Appellate Court established filing dates and scheduled Appellate oral arguments to take place on April 4, 2003.
  2. kenneth thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 12, 2005
    RN's testimony

    RN's testimony [Does Michael Schiavo have Terri's best interest at heart?]




    BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA
    SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

    1. My name is Carla Sauer Iyer. I am over the age of eighteen and make
    this statement of my own personal knowledge.

    2. I am a registered nurse in the State of Florida, having been licensed
    continuously in Florida from 1997 to the present. Prior to that I was a
    Licensed Practical Nurse for about four years.

    3. I was employed at Palm Garden of Largo Convalescent Center in
    Largo, Florida from April 1995 to July 1996, while Terri Schiavo
    was a patient there.

    4. It was clear to me at Palm Gardens that all decisions regarding Terri
    Schiavo were made by Michael Schiavo, with no allowance made for
    any discussion, debate or normal professional judgment. My initial
    training there consisted solely of the instruction "Do what Michael
    Schiavo tells you or you will be terminated." This struck me as
    extremely odd.


    5. I was very disturbed by the decision making protocol, as no allowance
    whatsoever was made for professional responsibility. The atmosphere
    throughout the facility was dominated by Mr. Schiavo's intimidation.
    Everyone there, with the exception of several people who seemed to be
    close to Michael, was intimidated by him. Michael Schiavo always
    had an overbearing attitude, yelling numerous times such things as
    "This is my order and you're going to follow it." He is very large and
    uses menacing body language, such as standing too close to you,
    getting right in your face and practically shouting.

    6. To the best of my recollection, rehabilitation had been ordered for
    Terri, but I never saw any being done or had any reason at all to
    believe that there was ever any rehab of Terri done at Palm Gardens
    while I was there. I became concerned because Michael wanted
    nothing done for Terri at all, no antibiotics, no tests, no range of
    motion therapy, no stimulation, no nothing. Michael said again and
    again that Terri should NOT get any rehab, that there should be no
    range of motion whatsoever, or anything else. I and a CNA named
    Roxy would give Terri range of motion anyway. One time I put a
    wash cloth in Terri's hand to keep her fingers from curling together,


    and Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy.

    7. Terri's medical condition was systematically distorted and
    misrepresented by Michael. When I worked with her, she was alert
    and oriented. Terri spoke on a regular basis while in my presence,
    saying such things as "mommy," and "help me." "Help me" was, in
    fact, one of her most frequent utterances. I heard her say it hundreds
    of times. Terri would try to say the word "pain" when she was in
    discomfort, but it came out more like "pay." She didn't say the "n"
    sound very well. During her menses she would indicate her discomfort
    by saying "pay" and moving her arms toward her lower abdominal
    area. Other ways that she would indicate that she was in pain included
    pursing her lips, grimacing, thrashing in bed, curling her toes or
    moving her legs around. She would let you know when she had a
    bowel movement by flipping up the covers and pulling on her diaper
    and scooted in bed on her bottom.

    8. When I came into her room and said "Hi, Terri", she would always
    recognize my voice and her name, and would turn her head all the way
    toward me, saying "Haaaiiiii" sort of, as she did. I recognized this as a
    "hi", which is very close to what it sounded like, the whole sound


    being only a second or two long. When I told her humrous stories
    about my life or something I read in the paper, Terri would chuckle,
    sometimes more a giggle or laugh. She would move her whole body,
    upper and lower. Her legs would sometimes be off the bed, and need
    to be repositioned. I made numerous entries into the nursing notes in
    her chart, stating verbatim what she said and her various behaviors, but
    by my next on-duty shift, the notes would be deleted from her chart.
    Every time I made a positive entry about any responsiveness of Terri's,
    someone would remove it after my shift ended. Michael always
    demanded to see her chart as soon as he arrived, and would take it in
    her room with him. I documented Terri's rehab potential well,
    writing whole pages about Terri's responsiveness, but they would
    always be deleted by the next time I saw her chart. The reason I wrote
    so much was that everybody else seemed to be afraid to make positive
    entries for fear of their jobs, but I felt very strongly that a nurses job
    was to accurately record everything we see and hear that bears on a
    patients condition and their family. I upheld the Nurses Practice Act,
    and if it cost me my job, I was willing to accept that.

    9. Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused


    on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?,"
    "Has she died yet?" and "When is that b**** (edited) gonna die?" These
    statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would
    make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was
    talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I
    recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her
    death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would
    be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be
    given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure
    the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word
    for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the
    end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be
    contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that
    said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael
    immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they
    should know about their daughter.

    10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her
    lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled
    even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like,


    "Hallelujah! You've made my day!" He would call me, as I was the
    nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her
    temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently
    asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!"
    and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died,
    which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among
    other things.

    11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the
    door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically
    be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be
    trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold
    sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction,
    so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low
    it was below the range where it would register an actual number
    reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This
    happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's
    blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet
    through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected
    Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have


    any way of knowing for sure.

    12. The longer I was employed at Palm Gardens the more concerned I
    became about patient care, both relating to Terri Schiavo, for the
    reasons I've said, and other patients, too. There was an LPN named
    Carolyn Adams, known as "Andy" Adams who was a particular
    concern. An unusual number of patients seemed to die on her shift,
    but she was completely unconcerned, making statements such as
    "They are old - let them die." I couldn't believe her attitude or the fact
    that it didn't seem to attract any attention. She made many comments
    about Terri being a waste of money, that she should die. She said it
    was costing Michael a lot of money to keep her alive, and that he
    complained about it constantly (I heard him complain about it all the
    time, too.) Both Michael and Adams said that she would be worth
    more to him if she were dead. I ultimately called the police relative to
    this situation, and was terminated the next day. Other reasons were
    cited, but I was convinced it was because of my "rocking the boat."

    13. Ms. Adams was one of the people who did not seem to be intimidated
    by Michael. In fact, they seemed to be very close, and Adams would
    do whatever Michael told her. Michael sometimes called Adams at


    night and spoke at length. I was not able to hear the content of these
    phone calls, but I knew it was him talking to her because she would
    tell me afterward and relay orders from him.

    14. I have contacted the Schindler family because I just couldn't stand by
    and let Terri die without the truth being known.



    The foregoing instrument was acknowledged before me this 29 day of August,
    2003, by CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who produced her Florida's driver's license
    as identification, and who did take an oath.

    <signed Patricia J. Anderson>
    Notary Public

    My commission expires
    <Notary seal of Patricia J. Anderson>
  3. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000


    Jul 4, 2004
  4. kenneth thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 12, 2005
    Thank you for letting me know about the typo. I corrected it.
  5. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000


    Jul 4, 2004
    Why here?

    If this moved to the political forum, are you willing to stick around and hear the other side of this issue?

    If you are, you should check that section out, read it, and then comment.

    Believe it or not, Mac users do keep up with things.
  6. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000


    Jul 4, 2004
    Take me to your leader, I have some issues to discuss with him/her.
  7. LeeTom macrumors 68000


    May 31, 2004
    Terri says nothing about what should be done with her, because she can't. For 15 years she is unable to make her own wishes clear.

    Just let her die.

    Lee Tom
  8. kenneth thread starter macrumors newbie

    Mar 12, 2005
    I am new to this forum, if I knew there was somewhere more appropriate to post this information, I would have. Admin. is welcomed to move these post.

    True, but her husband has done his best to make sure she was denied any therapy to improve the state she is in. If there is any truth to the statements made by Carla Sauer Iyer, it would appear that this husband was doing his best to see his wife die.
  9. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000


    Jul 4, 2004
    Really though, check out the political forum, this has been discussed. After reading what has been provided there you will at least be up to where everyone else is.


    What kind of Mac do you own?
  10. rainman::|:| macrumors 603


    Feb 2, 2002
    you forgot one thing-- the first item for the timeline. don't have the exact date, but:

    late 1980's: Terri marries Michael, entering into a legally binding contract OF WHICH SHE WAS FULLY AWARE that said Michael would have the power to direct her healthcare, and her to direct his, in the event of incapacitation. She married him, that's what happens when you get married, he gets to decide, end of story.

    2005: you posted here in the wrong section, apparently trying to start a debate on a site you don't even post at?
  11. saabmp3 macrumors 6502a

    Jul 22, 2002
    Tacoma, WA
    Now now paul....he posted in a couple other threads in the past couple days ;)

  12. daveL macrumors 68020


    Jun 18, 2003
    Please, please, please go dump your load somewhere else. Just another propaganda robot.
  13. maxvamp macrumors 6502a


    Sep 26, 2002
    Somewhere out there
    Question is...

    I have heard this issue portrayed two ways

    A. The government / Michael is trying to kill this person

    B. Two branches of government are trying to overstep their jurisdiction for political gain.

    I tend to better align with point B. for the following reasons...

    1. I feel that such a decision to pull the plug is, and always has been a family decision. In the past, the decisions, along with what happens after death has been the decisions of the next of kin. First spouse, then children, then grandchildren. Only if none of the above exists, then the parents have say in a person's fate.
    I think the courts are placing the decision in the correct hands, even though I may not agree with the reasons why.

    2. Such decisions have also always been a states' right All probates, estate affairs, weddings, and even birth records have always been the duty and the right of the state to maintain. As such, the fact that this case is in a federal court other than that of the Supreme Court is clearly a violation of State's Rights. It is interesting that Congress and the President would support this short circuit of the system, since traditionally, Republicans are more supportive of State's Rights. In my book, Gay Marriage falls into this same category.

    3. Most important... People have done their very to personalize this issue. I can only personalize this as I had to watch my Aunt pull the plug on my grandmother last month. Would you want the government to stop you from easing the pain, and/or stopping the suffering of a terminally ill family member? I realize that for the most part, Terri is most likely not suffering, but a bill trying to go through the Florida government would place this type of government intervention where previously there was none. Again, a strange tactic for a Republican.

    Now granted, if you have not been able to tell by now, I am not a red, but instead, I drink from the blue kool-aid. Still these are my pure, believes and fears, based on my personal experience, and my fear of where fear based on ignorance can lead. Terri is a sad story, but I feel that I, and my government have no more right in telling Mr. Schiavo that he must keep is wife alive, than he had a right to tell me ( my aunt actually ) that my 82 year old grandmother, who's brain was destroyed by stroke, must be forced to be kept on life support, simply because there is no living will.

    Now, I have heard accusations that there was wrongdoing that put Terri in this state. For those that believe that Michael did something criminally wrong, send proof to the DA in Florida, and have him charged.

    Sorry for the long email folks, but I had to voice my opinion in this matter since this issue seems to be drown out by distraction in the main media outlets.

  14. pseudobrit macrumors 68040


    Jul 23, 2002
    Jobs' Spare Liver Jar
    kenneth, I presume you have references and verified sources for all these "facts"?


    It's just a pile of crap that's getting passed around in e-mail and slapped up on blogs?

    In that case, excuse me while I ignore the holy living crap out of it.
  15. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

    IJ Reilly

    Jul 16, 2002
    The Iyer affidavits were entered into evidence in Judge Greer's court. He concluded her claims were "incredible, to say the least." Discredited in a court of law. Funny how none of ghouls tell you that. Probably can't admit it to themselves.

    So I guess this means the religious Right is not going to get out of the faces of this tormented family, until -- well, ever apparently. Clearly, they want them destroyed, and by any means necessary. Truth is certainly no impediment. And compassion? Are you kidding?

    It's bread and circuses from now on, my friends. Just bread and circuses.
  16. zimv20 macrumors 601


    Jul 18, 2002
    please note that, as a newbie with his thread in the poli/war area, kenneth is now unable to reply.
  17. blackfox macrumors 65816


    Feb 18, 2003
    damn. I have been itching to use some variation of "what's the frequency, Kenneth?" for a bit of a laugh.

    meh. I am usually not very funny anyway.

    I am so glad we now have four different theads to choose from when commenting on this topic. I like choices.
  18. Xtremehkr macrumors 68000


    Jul 4, 2004
    This thread serves as an excellent example of how the political propaganda machine works though. The first posts in it at least, a mixture of half truths and distortions presented in a manner designed to assassinate the character of her husband.

    It somehow leaves out a lot of important information. Co in cid ence? I wonder.

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