Time to tell Apple where they can stick Yosemite?-and it's where the sun don't shine.

Discussion in 'OS X Yosemite (10.10)' started by Dubdrifter, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. Dubdrifter macrumors member

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    Has there ever been a rollout of an Apple operating system as bad as Yosemite? - ok, maybe iOS8. Seriously though - thousands of complaints from all over the world from veteran users and new users invading Apple stores and Genius desks with problems - and God help you if you don't live near one of those - you are completely s-rewed!
    How can a so called respectable company release software into the open market when they haven't even got the BASICS right?
    Problems with the installation, problems making the wi-fi work, problems with e-mail, problems with app/external device compatibility (yes, doesn't happen overnight - or months later apparently), problems with new features etc etc etc …… trawl the forums and you will read countless accounts of people on the verge of mental breakdown trying to get their devices to work properly - like they used to before Yosemite. Devices on which their lives and livelihoods depend - Are you hearing us APPLE??
    You seem to have selective hearing A LOT these days and don't seem to respond well to criticism or advice / suggestions / hints that there is something SERIOUSLY wrong here - advice given from very experienced people too. All you seem to do these days is roll the wagons in a circle, pretend "all's well because profits are up" and send out the trolls to 'beat up' online anyone who dares to point out the obvious - Yosemite sucks and has more bugs than Bugs Bunny.
    Let me repeat - PEOPLE'S LIVES AND BUSINESSES DEPEND ON THESE DEVICES. We are not just talking about old devices experiencing problems here - it's across the range with all the latest gear. Apple can try and blame the customer - as Apple and it's acolytes always do ….. for damaging their vision of an ideal world - but the problem with companies who like to use the word 'Genius' too much is that they tend to treat their customers like idiots - yes, we are regarded as 'idiots' to pay 2-3 times more for our devices - but in those days we were buying the easier user experience and practicality that Apple used to do so well - so we felt it was worth the extra money - and Apple in those days had some of the best programmers in the business.
    Not so anymore apparently - maybe I am being unfair - maybe it is just bad management pushing people to impossible deadlines that has made the best ones jump ship and the remainder struggle to reach the standard necessary for a new release. Certainly innovations and options in user software are coming more from the Android world these days - so for those who take their device use seriously - and not just use it as a pretty 'Bauble' to impress their friends - maybe the time has come to move over to the new Windows platform reborn until Apple gets it's act together and leave the upper Apple management to rub shoulders with their accountant friends, go down to their local dealership to buy their 5th Porsche, then wonder 5 years down the line why things are going pear shaped - Even Baubles Lose Their Shine.
    Hey, here's a joke - how long does it take to get Apple to respond/admit to a problem? ……. almost as long as it took the Catholic Church to apologise to Galileo. (For those who don't know their history - Galileo died 1642, Pope apologised 1992 - Ask yourself why it took the Catholic Church so long to realise the earth revolved around the sun or admit they made a mistake ….. sadly the same applies to Apple these days) - No, you're right, I'm not a comedian - and this isn't funny.
    Will Apple apologise and make amends for ruining peoples lives and businesses? - they can certainly afford to …….. only when Hell freezes over me thinks - or the management say "this is a PR disaster - people need to be compensated".
    In all this debacle, I pity the guys on the helplines and in the Genius stores around the world - they are working their rocks off to save the sanity of the planet and Apple's reputation ….. and also trying to save the credibility of the Apple Software Programming Department who surely seem to have let ex-Windows Vista programmers infiltrate the organisation?
    Guess the head of Apple, upper management and accountants are mainly to blame for this rotten 'oeuvre' - they come up with the cuckoo ideas to try and justify their existence that we need 'New Stuff Every Five Minutes So We Can Sell More' - they are the ones who push impossible deadlines on their sadly overworked, comparatively underpaid staff whose sweatshop work is earning them zillions of dollars - and they sanctioned the release of this software into the public domain before it was fit for purpose - especially where the Basics were concerned - so it should be their heads that roll in all this.
    Apple can well afford to get fresh people in at the top who are competent 'human beings' and know what is achievable in a certain time frame and who know what innovations can be rolled out without killing the basic functions of the products and destroying the credibility of the whole company in the process.
    Apple may have created a mountain with Yosemite on our desktops - but this pretty picture hides a mountain to climb for every Apple user. We all have busy lives and many of us don't have time to beta test Apples' software for them.
    Is this a sign Apple has peaked? I hope not, I love their stuff pre-Yosemite ….. but I personally can't spend any more of my precious time on new operating systems that create more problems than offer improvements - wasted enough time writing this post - but someone has to step up and articulate the mental anguish many users have suffered for 6 months now.
    Without improvements there is no point to new operating system installation - you are not moving FORWARDS!
    In the past, when a new operating system was presented, Apple used to give the option to easily restore to earlier versions if compatibility was an issue - not so with Yosemite. Even if you were cautious to install Yosemite and wisely did so in a separate partition, some users have found it has even corrupted the partition system on their computers, damaging their ability to boot an alternative - unbelievable!
    My advice for a stress-free Apple experience - conquer the Yosemite mountain by doing a re-install of your OLD RELIABLE operating system (from your installation disc) and send a clear message to the Apple management to stick Yosemite where the sun don't shine. Believe me, the view from the top afterwards and the stress-free sunshine it will bring back into your life will be amazing!

    (Is that too many mountaineering analogies for one post?)

    For permission to reproduce this comment in full or in part - dubdrifter@yahoo.com
     
  2. PhiLLoW, Jan 31, 2015
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    pretty sure I can do this without writing an e-Mail. welcome to the internet.
     
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    My eyes glazed over ....
    Too many analogies/similes/whatever

    Two Macs, Yosemite is working for me with no problems, but my sample size is way too small ...

    Ranters will rant. Problems can be challenging.

    Most users don't start a thread saying how wonderful life is.
    They use their Macs - have no real problems, and don't need to complain, or find out how to fix stuff - because, in spite of the ranters, it "just works" for most.

    Life is good - the sun is shining on the mountain :D
     
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    I think that's pretty much it :D
     
  7. chown33 macrumors 604

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    Yosemite has serious bugs.

    It's management's fault.

    Go back to Mavericks.
     
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  10. ButteryScrollin macrumors 6502a

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    People were saying the same thing about Mavericks this time last year.

    In a year, people will be complaining about OS X Diablo and wanting to go back to the rock solid 10.10.5.
     
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    I'm shocked you read that far! :D
     
  12. dav1dd macrumors regular

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    Well said OP

    I agree with the OP.
    For me, alarm bells went off as soon as they started offering the OS for free. From a business perspective, that means less resources will be allocated to a cost centre that literally produces no income. You don't get rich by pouring a lot of money into something that generates no income. Otherwise, how can you be the world's most valuable company?
    Common sense, really.

    I still have my Snow Leopard disk that I paid $90 for and it operates fine on my 2006 MB. On the other hand I upgraded to 10.10.2 yesterday morning, found it broke my wifi, and then rolled back using Time Machine last night.
     
  13. SlCKB0Y macrumors 68040

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    Almost every post you make is some variation on this. It's very creative, original and especially witty. In fact I think i appreciate it more after the 6th repetition. ;)

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    Do you really think they were getting rich by charging $20 in the releases prior to Yosemite? :rolleyes:

    Besides, Apple are a device company, not a software company. The vast majority of their money comes from hardware.

    They made it free to encourage people to upgrade to minimise fragmentation. Common sense, really.
     
  14. ButteryScrollin macrumors 6502a

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    Care to link to where I've made the same post at least 2 other times? Your sarcastic response is creative in itself, must've taken you a long time to think it up. congratulations.

    It's the truth. Every new Apple OS release is literally the end of the world for some people. Deal with it or file a bug report with Apple and move back to Mavericks.
     
  15. dav1dd macrumors regular

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    I take it you have no problems with 10.10.2?
     
  16. simonsi macrumors 601

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    Yosemite works fine for me.

    BTW there is no evidence anyone from Apple reads these forums in a professional sense.

    Anyone relying on any computer should take proper precautions before any upgrade of that system.

    As you posted your comments on a public forum I'm pretty sure you effectively lose any rights to that content at that point....feel free to reproduce this post as you see fit.
     
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    Most people have zero problems with Yosemite. These forums have what in statistics is called "bias" - the majority of people who are going to post here are those who have problems. If a user is running their machine with Yosemite problem-free, why would they post here?

    As other users have said, people on Mavericks, Mountain Lion, etc also have problems - no OS is perfect. It may be your experience that you had issues with Yosemite and not earlier releases, but that is a sample size of one, and plenty of others (including myself) have not had a single problem with Yosemite.
     
  18. fisherking macrumors 601

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    while there's always been ranting/whining/complaining here, these forums (at least, as i remember it) were once more about people posting issues, and looking for solutions; making suggestions...troubleshooting.

    every version of OS X has had it's detractors. every one. yet most people just use their macs, don't live on forums like this...and life goes on.

    it's become boring here, and i may give it up (here's a chance to suggest i "do so, no one will miss you"...or something like that).

    we need a separate category here for the rants, so the rest of us can have a forum to focus on fixing things, solving problems...and moving forward. (just a thought). :rolleyes: :eek: :cool:
     
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    Sorry to hear that you have problems. Yosemite has been very stable and well-performing for me and my colleagues. I maintain a user base of around two dozens Macs, most of them running Yosemite by now, and I haven't got a single serious complain about the OS.

    BTW, I used to have bad WiFi issues with Mavericks. Yosemite has fixed that. And Safari and Mail are very much usable, unlike Snow Leopard/Lion.
     
  21. Dubdrifter, Feb 1, 2015
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    For those of you having a smooth, trouble-free Yosemite experience and are obviously not interested in reading about or are selectively unaware of the 'nightmares' other people are having with this operating system as discussed extensively on this forum and in many other fields - (music, business, printing, photography, communication, wi-fi etc etc) ….. good luck to you …..have a happy life …. to the rest of us who have our heads out of the sand the problem remains - is this just a 'rant' or a not very subtle communication to the powers that be at Apple that it's users deserve something better from a so-called system upgrade.
    We need bare minimum - 1) Easy installation 2)The Basics intact and working, 3) Connection (within a reasonable time) to all our old and young(!) apps, plug-ins, printers, wi-fi networks etc - that means liaising with these producers in a respectful, cooperative manner well in advance of launch day so they can have time to prepare drivers that will integrate seamlessly with the new operating system ….. without these peripheral manufacturers your products and their uses are a shadow of what they could be.
    The sooner Apple wakes up to that fact and starts to work with companies, people and app producers that can make their devices 10x better, the sooner we will all be out of this mess and really moving FORWARDS. Users need continuity to keep their businesses and cyber life moving …. taking months to fix driver problems is appalling, and largely Apple's fault when it fails to liaise properly.
    And another thing while we are in, what I like to call 'Constructive Criticism' mode rather than just 'ranting' ……. Let it be we users who decide when we think our hard-earned add-ons/peripherals/apps are obsolete - not Apple.
     
  22. entropi macrumors 6502

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    well, then be responsible enough to only upgrade when you got an actual need for it and know it is reliable.
     
  23. Eithanius macrumors 65816

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    Rock solid my ass...! There has never been any rock solid 10.x.5 releases...
     
  24. Sangoma macrumors member

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    While I did have problems with an upgrade from Mavericks, after a fresh install Yosemite has run flawlessly. I have 2 systems running.
     
  25. AFEPPL macrumors 68030

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    The only way to get apple to pay attention is by not buying the mac product lines.. Even then, in my opinion apple wouldn't give a damn as 90% of their profits come from iPhones..

    I agree, the software is full of minor holes and frustrations caused by poor QA.
    I'm going to see what windows 10 runs like and then make a decision as to which way I will go.
     

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