To get tax cuts for the rich, GOP will block ALL bills

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    And here we go-o-o-o-!

    Bigger than unemployment running out, huh? Shows you where their priorities are, all right.

    I knew the Republicans were gonna implode, but I didn't think they'd start on it so fast. The next two years are going to be one big slow-motion train wreck.
     
  2. kavika411 macrumors 6502a

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    If the tax cuts for the rich are wrong, Obama will step up and take a stand against the Republicans.
     
  3. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Yes or no - Do you think unemployment benefits should have an end-point - either dollar wise or time wise?
    By the way, it's not 'government giving money to rich people', it's 'letting the wealth earners keep more of their own wealth.'
     
  4. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Oh, and deficits and debt are spending beyond our means. The check has come, and it's time for the people who ate the most to pay for their caviar.
     
  5. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    LOL riiiiiiight. Obama is the guy that lets his opinions be heard from the back of the room, but then lets everyone else do the actual work.

    I'd love for him to use the bully pulpit to its full capacity, but from his past (even into his college years) Obama just isn't that guy.
     
  6. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Ending unemployment does two things:

    1. Hurts the economy, anyone getting benefits is basically forced to put that money back into the economy. If that money dries up, theres another significant dent in consumer spending thus exacerbating the problem. We'll ignore that there is very little demand for anything right now.

    2. This artificially drops the unemployment stats (which are crap anyway) because the indicators used only count you as unemployed if you are receiving benefits. Voilá, you've hacked off about a million or so from the unemployment numbers. Now who gets to take credit (for literally nothing)? :rolleyes:
     
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    Can you provide ANY evidence that it helps the economy to let the already rich continue to get richer, at the cost of the deficit?

    Or are you willing to hurt the economy because of principle?
     
  8. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Some people have been able to leech 99 weeks of unemployment off the taxpayers already. I move to a foreign country and get a job in 2 weeks including application and interview time. Time for some lazy *******s to get off the couch and this might just provide a little motivation.
     
  9. Huntn macrumors G5

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    We stand by the rich cause they really need the help, while we let unemployment benefits expire. Yeah! :rolleyes: I'm always amazed at the level of Republican support from middle-low income voters. Maybe someone can explain it to me. ;)
     
  10. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Yes, there should be a finite end to unemployment benefits. As everyone knows, all circumstances and all economic downturns are exactly identical. We should give them X dollars over Y time, after which we should present them with a choice: starve (kids included), or move to where the jobs are: China.

    Many rich people got that way because corporations are such welfare queens. "Want our company to build (or stay where it is)? Build us a road. Give us tax abatement for 20 years. Let us merge, killing competition and laying off thousands. We'd make a tidy profit even without all that, but the stockholders kvell when they see us holding the government upside down by its ankles and shaking all the money out."

    At any rate, that's all beside the point, which is the Republicans holding the Congress's business hostage. That's not gonna play well in middle America. But this is what the people voted for, so I hope they're happy when they get even more of it come January.

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  11. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    You'd think one would realize that this says quite alot about America, but nahh, its gotta be those lazy people desperate for jobs. :rolleyes:

    Hint: In order to receive the benefits you have to be able to show that you are actively looking for a job.
     
  12. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Gee, how did all those jobs end up in China? :confused: <-not really confused about it. ;)

    Thanks for the book link. And I do believe that unemployment benefits can't go on for ever, but I guara-dang-tee it that the Republicans will fight to their last breath for the "important" people.
     
  13. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The requirements for "looking for a job" are laughable and hardly enforceable. I am willing to bet with the announcement that jobless benefits being cut that the US unemployment rate goes down.
     
  14. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Have you personally had to do this or known someone that did? I watched my Uncle go through the process for months. He even got called to special hearings because he had to leave one of the **** jobs he managed to get due to physically being unable to do it at his age.

    As for the underlined, I already explained how that is exactly the point in post #6. The number will go down slightly, but it sure as hell isn't because of people suddenly finding work.
     
  15. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    How about we compromise: let's end unemployment benefits for anybody who voted Republican?

    You're welcome. And of course they can't go on forever. But the government can't employ everybody who needs a job; only corporations can do that. Until they stop sitting on their fat profits, this situation is going to continue.

    Oh, that's not true. The last time I was unemployed I told the office that I was using my benefits to buy crack and Cadillacs, and they told me because I was such a terrific slacker they'd enter me into a raffle where Obama will buy me a house. ;)
     
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    Are there actually enough jobs for all the unemployed? Even if you think that the majority of people are "too lazy" to look for jobs: what if they DO go out and look for a job. It's not like employers are exactly complaining that they have all these jobs that no one wants to fill.
     
  17. Macaddicttt macrumors 6502a

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    People like you make me sick, after watching my father break down yesterday evening for the first time ever because he got rejected from yet another job after searching for work for over two years. Things might be easy for you, but who wants to hire someone in their 50s in this economy? How dare you characterize the unemployed like this. You should be ashamed. :mad:
     
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    Thank god for the GOP. The rich do need that tax break.
     
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    He should, but he's not. People like that turn my stomach as well.
     
  20. fivepoint, Dec 1, 2010
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    Oh jeez, enough with the false victim BS. Zombie said "Some people have been able to leech 99 weeks of unemployment off the taxpayers already. I move to a foreign country and get a job in 2 weeks including application and interview time. Time for some lazy *******s to get off the couch and this might just provide a little motivation." so unless your dad fits into the 'some' category just shut it for a second and realize that Zombie is talking about the lazy ones, the ones who won't look for a job that they deem to be 'beneath them', the ones who have stopped looking all together because unemployment pays better or requires less work. There are low-lifes in this world that RUIN it for good people like your dad who is looking for work and instead of trying to find common ground with people who accurately and fairly criticize low lifes who use and abuse the system so that we can have better and more meaningful programs for those that actually need it.


    Anyway, I'd like to know... apparently 99 weeks is ridiculously short in the eyes of some here, so I'd like to know how many weeks is correct. How long should the benefits last? Forever? If so, just say so... What's the right number, liberals?


    If you tax something you get less of it. If you subsidize something you get more of it.

    BTW, "What's the matter with Kansas" is an idiotic book for idiotic liberals that need to find some sort of justification in their own minds for why Americans in the heartland with strong family values and a belief in the simple principles of freedom and liberty, while they instead focus on building a non-existent liberal socialist utopia which inevitably results in the destruction of family values, the de-individualization of the citizenry, and the slow encroachment on basic liberty while one group after another seeks more power and more power.
     
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    My mistake. Your interpretation of ZombieAcorn's post makes him seem even more callous. Because SOME people are lazy bums, we're going to punish EVERYONE, and I don't care if hard-working people who have done everything right that they possible could have are harmed in the process. Thanks for clearing that up and making it abundantly clear that you don't care about anyone, and would rather make good, innocent, hard-working people suffer just to hold on to some ridiculous ideals and prevent a minority of "lazy" people from gaming the system. :mad:

    Don't tell me that ZombieAcorn isn't talking about punishing hard-working people like my father when he says lazy people on unemployment justify the GOP's defenseless and spineless actions here to cut off the country's nose in order to spite the face.

    EDIT: And false victim, my ass. My father is a real victim of the GOP's defenseless and spineless actions and a real victim of the morally bankrupt ideologies you espouse.
     
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    Of course he would. That's what Libertarianism is all about- "I got mine so **** you".
     
  23. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    And yet you've roundly rejected any requests to suggest a number of weeks/months that would satisfy your desire to take care of the unemployed. This isn't just about taking care of individuals, this is also about taking care of an economy and taking care of our debt, and taking care of personal responsibility. Mistaking a Republican's desire to stimulate the economy and job production by providing additional funds to the people who create jobs in this country instead of programs which may or may not make it less likely that people get jobs again as some sort of hateful scheme against those less well off. They're doing what they think is best for the country and the country's future... anyone who suggests otherwise and try's to demonize the actions doesn't know what they're talking about and has apparently never taken the time to actually understand the conservative point of view... although I suppose many liberals have found that it's easier to just sit in a corner, point fingers, and suggest your opponent is evil... similar to what they do while accusing others of racism.

    BTW, I sincerely wish your dad the very best. I hope that you and other family/friends are there to help him in his time of need. Job loss is a horrible thing and isn't easy on anyone. If he's an honest and hard working man, I have no doubt he'll find a job real soon. If not, send him out to Iowa - there are some decent openings out this way, and I'd be glad to help him secure one. :)
     
  24. Macaddicttt macrumors 6502a

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    And YOU refuse to admit that trickle-down does not work, despite mountains of evidence. YOU refuse to admit that there is plenty of evidence stating that giving money to the unemployed, i.e. the people who are struggling and will spend every cent of it, would do far more to stimulate the economy than give tons of money to the rich who will sit on it and do little with it.

    Republicans have NO desire to stimulate the economy, or else they would be using methods that have been proven to work. Instead they seek to help make the rich richer, using rhetoric to disguise their intentions by calling it a way to stimulate the economy, when there is tons of evidence showing that it will not and never has.

    But I don't even know why I bother debating this with you. It's like talking to a brick wall since every post you make here proves that you value ideology over anything else and disregard facts at will.
     
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    And this ridiculous idea that only the wealthy create jobs just has to stop. Last time I checked, small business owners created lots of jobs. I would not call them rich. Those are the people we should be helping.
     

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