To Protect His Son, A Father Asks School To Bar Unvaccinated Children

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Carl Krawitt has watched his son, Rhett, now 6, fight leukemia for the past 4 1/2 years. For more than three of those years, Rhett has undergone round after round of chemotherapy. Last year he finished chemotherapy, and doctors say he is in remission.

Now, there's a new threat, one that the family should not have to worry about: measles.
Even without the argument of his son's illness, unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in public schools.
 

aaronvan

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Even without the argument of his son's illness, unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in public schools.
I agree, but can schools force student to reveal their vaccination status? Seems that would fall under confidential medical information (unless the school itself offers the vaccine and the student refuses.)
 

luvmymbpr

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I agree, but can schools force student to reveal their vaccination status? Seems that would fall under confidential medical information (unless the school itself offers the vaccine and the student refuses.)
Why not? Colleges and many professions require proof of vaccinations.
 

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Even without the argument of his son's illness, unvaccinated children shouldn't be allowed in public schools.
WHUT!? They allow kids not up to date on their vaccination(or even NO vaccination) in public schools? I think my kids school requires proper vaccination.:cool: Thank the lawd. If they didn't, I would seriously consider home schooling. The last thing I want is my kid going to school with a Typhoid Mary.:mad:
 

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anyways. why not keep his son & home school him?
It should be the other way around. Yeah, I know. It's a free country, they should be allowed to do what they want, right? No one's stopping them from keeping their little disease vectors at home to listen to Alex Jones all day. If that's what they want to do, then more power to them.

They can't force society to conform to their beliefs, but they're perfectly free to opt out.
 

Gav2k

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I think there is more to this story than meets the eye.

A vaccinated child is generally not at risk from unvaccinated children. However a child that has undergone that kind of treatment wouldn't have been given the vaccine nor have the antibodies to fight anything off anyway. Hmmm
 

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It should be the other way around. Yeah, I know. It's a free country, they should be allowed to do what they want, right? No one's stopping them from keeping their little disease vectors at home to listen to Alex Jones all day. If that's what they want to do, then more power to them.

They can't force society to conform to their beliefs, but they're perfectly free to opt out.
how "free" are they? do they get a tax break so they are not subsidizing the public schools through taxes? how many vaccines should be forced upon them ? what else should be forced?
 

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how "free" are they? do they get a tax break so they are not subsidizing the public schools through taxes? how many vaccines should be forced upon them ? what else should be forced?
That's an argument that cuts both ways. Why should I send my kids to public school and risk Polio or Rubella because some people choose not to vaccinate their children? I'd be forced to either home school or look at private options. Why should I continue to subsidize the local public schools through my hard earned dollars?

See, no one is entitled to anything, but they're free to take other options that work better for them. I'm not entitled to force people into getting vaccinated for my own well being, and the antivaxers aren't entitled to send their kids to public school if they don't adhere to the requirements. Everyone ultimately has to acquiesce to the majority in situations like this.
 

jkcerda

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1.That's an argument that cuts both ways. Why should I send my kids to public school and risk Polio or Rubella because some people choose not to vaccinate their children? I'd be forced to either home school or look at private options. Why should I continue to subsidize the local public schools through my hard earned dollars?

2See, no one is entitled to anything, but they're free to take other options that work better for them. I'm not entitled to force people into getting vaccinated for my own well being, and the antivaxers aren't entitled to send their kids to public school if they don't adhere to the requirements. Everyone ultimately has to acquiesce to the majority in situations like this.
1. Ah, but IF YOUR KIDS are vaccinated, are YOUR kids at risk?

2. land of the free,, must have permits/vaccines or whatever it's required to enter :p

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from article

Rhett cannot be vaccinated
so the mans kid is NOT vaccinated, shouldn't other parents request HIS kid stay home since HE is NOT vaccinated & is at risk of exposing others?


:D:D:D
 

burgundyyears

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1. Ah, but IF YOUR KIDS are vaccinated, are YOUR kids at risk?

2. land of the free,, must have permits/vaccines or whatever it's required to enter :p


It seems we're doomed to relive the bad old days where kids got long term complications and/or died from easily preventable illnesses because freedom.
 

Renzatic

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1. Ah, but IF YOUR KIDS are vaccinated, are YOUR kids at risk?
Depends on the disease. Measles can be prevented from spreading, but I believe even vaccinated kids are at risk if they're sitting next to active vectors.

(citation needed)

2. land of the free,, must have permits/vaccines or whatever it's required to enter :p
Free for whom? What's freedom for you isn't freedom for the guy who stands opposite your opinion on the subject. Freedom here doesn't means you can do whatever you want. Rather, you're not forced to go with the flow, so to speak.

from article

so the mans kid is NOT vaccinated, shouldn't other parents request HIS kid stay home since HE is NOT vaccinated & is at risk of exposing others?


:D:D:D
Good question. There's a huge difference between "won't", and "can't". In this instance, we'd be denying this kid certain privileges due to something that's beyond his control.

So...what do you do?
 

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1Depends on the disease. Measles can be prevented from spreading, but I believe even vaccinated kids are at risk if they're sitting next to active vectors.

(citation needed)



2.Free for whom? What's freedom for you isn't freedom for the guy who stands opposite your opinion on the subject. Freedom here doesn't means you can do whatever you want. Rather, you're not forced to go with the flow, so to speak.



3.Good question. There's a huge difference between "won't", and "can't". In this instance, we'd be denying this kid certain privileges due to something that's beyond his control.

So...what do you do?
1 are you asking for a citation to your own claims?

2 was the emoty not enough to convey sarcasm?

3 does NOT MATTER , HIS kid is NOT vaccinated, diseases don't care as to WHY he is not vaccinated. pretty hypocritical for him to demand others who are not vaccinated stay home so that HIS un-vaccinated kid can attend school. HE can keep HIS kid home if HE is that worried. good for the goose/good for the gander, practice what HE preaches :D

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People who believe we are overpopulated are welcome to take personal steps to remedy that issue.
touche:):).

wait, I am one of the chosen ones :p
 

Renzatic

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1 are you asking for a citation to your own claims?
Ayup, cuz I'm talking about something I only vaguely know about. I remember thinking the same thing you did, that if your kid's vaccinated, then unvaxed kids are only dangerous to other unvaxed kids. Apparently, that's not always the case depending on what disease you're up against.

2 was the emoty not enough to convey sarcasm?
Man, you know how people are around here. I take everything seriously, emotes or not. It's usually the safer option. :p

3 does NOT MATTER , HIS kid is NOT vaccinated, diseases don't care as to WHY he is not vaccinated. pretty hypocritical for him to demand others who are not vaccinated stay home so that HIS un-vaccinated kid can attend school. HE can keep HIS kid home if HE is that worried. good for the goose/good for the gander, practice what HE preaches :D
This isn't quite so clear cut. It's kinda crappy that the kid's dad is telling everyone else to shut up or go home. But at the same time, the kid is being denied things for something he can't help.

It's one of those grey area issues I feel like I can't give one solid, simple answer for.
 

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I dont recall being asked about vaccines when I enrolled in college.
I had to be vaccinated to stay in the dormitories, not that I wasn't already, but they asked for records. I believe I also had to get a meningitis shot. This was around 2008-2009.
 

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1.Ayup, cuz I'm talking about something I only vaguely know about. I remember thinking the same thing you did, that if your kid's vaccinated, then unvaxed kids are only dangerous to other unvaxed kids. Apparently, that's not always the case depending on what disease you're up against.



Man, you know how people are around here. I take everything seriously, emotes or not. It's usually the safer option. :p



2.This isn't quite so clear cut. It's kinda crappy that the kid's dad is telling everyone else to shut up or go home. But at the same time, the kid is being denied things for something he can't help.

It's one of those grey area issues I feel like I can't give one solid, simple answer for.
1.Gotcha.

2. while I understand that, a virus would not care WHY the kid is not vaccinated. the man has ALL the power to keep HIS kid HOME. if he wants kids who are not vaccinated to stay home that should include HIS kid for the protection of others.:D

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I had to be vaccinated to stay in the dormitories, not that I wasn't already, but they asked for records. I believe I also had to get a meningitis shot. This was around 2008-2009.
no dormitories for me, too many restraining orders prohibited that:eek:
 

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2. while I understand that, a virus would not care WHY the kid is not vaccinated. the man has ALL the power to keep HIS kid HOME. if he wants kids who are not vaccinated to stay home that should include HIS kid for the protection of others.:D
well, if he gets measles, his kids is likely dead very quickly, no time to infect others.
also, there is a big difference between choosing not to vaccinate your kid for no valid reason, and being forced into a position where your kid's life might depend on some moron's idiocy.

having gone through the same thing i am 100% supportive of the dad in the OP
 

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well, if he gets measles, his kids is likely dead very quickly, no time to infect others.
also, there is a big difference between choosing not to vaccinate your kid for no valid reason, and being forced into a position where your kid's life might depend on some moron's idiocy.

having gone through the same thing i am 100% supportive of the dad in the OP
if a woman/teen can make the choice concerning their bodies then so should the kids:eek:
 

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Oh, this one is hard.

In Arizona vaccinations are required unless you have paperwork stating that it's against your religion OR paperwork stating that your child is on a delayed cycle and proof that they are being caught up.

It would be impossible to force EVERYONE to get vaccinated. Poor people and religious people, alike, prevent this from happening. More so religious people.

I have to side with jkcerda on this. If you are THAT worried about your kid, you have to take matters into your own hands and pull him out of school. I don't think he is wrong for requesting, but it'll never happen.

In this scenario, you would be infringing on others' rights in order to help yourself.

I think vaccinations should be required, but unfortunately not all see it this way.


Sad story.:(