Today is the Day George W. Bush Became President

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macrumors Penryn
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Even with all that blood on his hands.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/19/full-text-george-w-bush-speech-trump-243947

There are some signs that the intensity of support for democracy itself has waned, especially among the young, who never experienced the galvanizing moral clarity of the Cold War, or never focused on the ruin of entire nations by socialist central planning. Some have called this “democratic deconsolidation.” Really, it seems to be a combination of weariness, frayed tempers, and forgetfulness.

We have seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. At times, it can seem like the forces pulling us apart are stronger than the forces binding us together. Argument turns too easily into animosity. Disagreement escalates into dehumanization. Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions – forgetting the image of God we should see in each other.

We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism – forgotten the dynamism that immigration has always brought to America. We see a fading confidence in the value of free markets and international trade – forgetting that conflict, instability, and poverty follow in the wake of protectionism.

We have seen the return of isolationist sentiments – forgetting that American security is directly threatened by the chaos and despair of distant places, where threats such as terrorism, infectious disease, criminal gangs and drug trafficking tend to emerge.
 

Mousse

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"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions "

That is one of the best lines penned by a President's (or former President's), speech writer.
It's been lifted by speech writers one after another for over 100 years, worded differently each time. Still the same basic idea.

I've stopped judging myself by my intentions, because you know the other quote about intentions and hell.
 

yaxomoxay

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"Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions "
Is he referring to the invasion of Iraq? He had amazing intentions there, he even provided pictures of it to the international community.
 

citizenzen

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Is he referring to the invasion of Iraq? He had amazing intentions there, he even provided pictures of it to the international community.
I see it as more general ... that one goes into the presidency with a sense that they can help make a better world, only to find out that they're just as easily capable of making things worse.
 
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BoxerGT2.5

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My only quibble with Bush's speech was that he didn't call out trump by name.

This isn't the time for being coy.

Trump needs to be condemned for his actions and called out by name.
President Bush has been pretty consistent with how he speaks regarding the man in the Oval office. He didn't lob personal attacks at Obama either when he was busy blaming him for everything his first term. Aside from Clinton, it's usually the Democratic former presidents over the past 45yrs that like to call out the current POTUS.
 

iapplelove

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What part of it do you disagree with?
I respect everyone’s passion here I really do. But let’s be honest, condemned is a pretty strong word right?

He’s a jerk, a pig yes. Probably a liar I mean he is in the game now. But condemned because you don’t like the man he is?

I can’t see any of his actions warrant for condemnation.
 
I respect everyone’s passion here I really do. But let’s be honest, condemned is a pretty strong word right?

He’s a jerk, a pig yes. Probably a liar I mean he is in the game now. But condemned because you don’t like the man he is?

I can’t see any of his actions warrant for condemnation.
He's a serial fraudster and a self-confessed sex offender. Is that not enough?
 

vrDrew

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My only quibble with Bush's speech was that he didn't call out trump by name. .
I understand why you say that.

But I don't agree. G.W. Bush is adhering to the political norm that our Presidents don't explicitly diss their predecessors by name. And I think that's a pretty good norm to have. We don't prosecute, imprison, or execute former Presidents. (That's why Ford took the heat for pardoning Nixon.) And there is a good reason for that: A President who thought his successor might send him to the gulag might be tempted to hold onto power beyond his term. To use the terrible power of the state to damage or cripple, kill or blackmail a hostile candidate. We don't want that, at any price.

Trump hasn't figured that out yet. He's a deeply stupid human being. Which is why he thought putting marble sinks on board commercial airliners might be a good idea. It's why he - last week - chose to throw shade at Barack Obama's treatment of Gold Star families.

To quote Michelle Obama: When they go low - we go high.

G.W. Bush went high today. Which is why I voted for him, twice, despite frequently disagreeing with some of his policies and Presidential actions.