"Top 10 Reasons Life Was Better In the Fifties"

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    http://listverse.com/2013/02/27/top-10-reasons-life-was-better-in-the-fifties/

    To each point:

    10. Agreed
    9. Um, it's a little high but reading the claimed reasons and chart going back more than a token 35 years, it's still shocking nonetheless
    8. Fewer people but there are many reasons for less crime
    7. Jobs didn't always need costlier degrees, and buying power was higher so one could more readily afford it
    6. ditto
    5. Hardly a bad thing? Personal space, as with other factors, also leads to less crime?
    4. This one should be #1, that ladder is as glass as the ceiling people once had to contend with and people worked hard to get through both
    3. It was easier to be optimistic back then, duh
    2. But more debt is good, especially for students during or post great-recession (2007-?)
    1. Didn't know left-wing is anti-America by default. Anti-America is doing things against America...
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    (Yes, sexism and racism existed in the 1950s. People were treated badly back then because they looked or acted a different way. We're certainly post-racial now, or so we've been told. And that has nothing to do with the 10 reasons specified. The next time a politician or supporter says "They want to take us back to the 50s", ask for qualifying details and then clarify if they mean 1950s or 1850s.)
     
  2. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    The good old days don't exist. All ages have a mix of hood and bad and it is pretty much a matter of opinion.
     
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    Ask blacks and gays. ;) No doubt, the post WII United States, the 1950s was the best of economic times for those not suffering from discrimination, all the good points fueled by an economic boom partially by virtue of being the only major country left untouched by the war. As I recall, taxes above $500k income were something like 90% the way it should be. You can be the smartest person in the world, but morally do you have excuse to live like a king when others around you are stuck in the mud?
     
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    Not just blacks and gays. Ask women, too.

    I wouldn't have much liked to have been a woman back in the 50s. It was a very limiting world.

    The difference in the opportunities available to me and those available to my mother (who was a young woman, yes, in the 50s) are quite striking.
     
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    weren't everyone conformists in the 50s except for Hitchcock of course
     
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    Wow. Someone works hard, becomes successful, their reward? 90% confiscation.
     
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    Before you say something embarrassing, $500k in 1950 equals $5m in 2016 accounting for inflation. Link
    Let's talk philosophy for a moment. How much money do you need to live a good life? On what basis do you define living an enriched life?
     
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    It's the cost of living in a civilized society, if you don't like it then you could give up the protection it paid for and live somewhere that was devastated by WWII. We had a war to pay off at the time, and the richest had benefited the most, plus that was a time that we actually believed in paying for what we spent as a country instead of kicking the can to our children.

    We should have raised taxes to a similar level to pay for the Iraq war, and if people don't like that they could elect people who would have ended it earlier.
     
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    How much? As much as I want and can obtain.
     
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    The only reason the 50's seemed great because most of Europe and South East Asia was in shambles from WW2!
     
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    You are referencing a time when fiscal responsibility was taken seriously, when we paid our debts, before the concept of credit card wars. I welcome raising taxes, despite the pain because it would provide the real gut check Americans need so they have a real understanding of what our cavalier choices mean and take a serious look at what our leadership proposes in terms of foreign adventures.

    If Dubya had proposed raising taxes at the time we invaded Iraq to pay for it, I bet the war might not of happened.
     
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    "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil."
    -- Some famous guy.
     
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    Those who say money cannot buy happiness, are lying.
    --Some less famous guy.
     
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    I'll just let your response lay there and reverberate. :D Check back with me when you understand the advantages as well as the responsibity of living in a healthy, productive and fair society. Here is the key more we, less me.
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    How much money do you need to live a good life?? Money may buy security, but in itself does not buy happiness, right?
     
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    Enjoy socialism. I prefer capitalism.
     
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    Literally the only people looking back with sentimentality are straight, adult, White males.
     
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    I take offense to that! It those darn baby boomers! :mad:
     
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    Please replace :mad: with :D. Thanks! Us Babyboombers had no control of when we were born into this life. :p
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    Regulated or unregulated?

    You do realize that we > me? Long term me only lives well when most of we in society are also doing well.
     
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    No one is criticizing your generation for being born in a time of great prosperity. The Baby Boom generation pissed it all away, giving in to self-interest and living a generally disengaged, apolitical lifestyle.
     
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    Two things.
    1. If everyone is out there doing the best they can for themselves everyone would benefit.
    2. In your utopia, where 90% of income is taxed above whatever arbitrary point. What happens when the produces decide it's not in their best interest to produce and then stop production? Where are the taxes going to be taken from? Would the government force the non-producing producers to produce again?
     
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    Isn't #2 the whole theme behind trickle down economics that we have been doing for the past three decades?
     
  22. Huntn macrumors G5

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    I disagree with you characterization. It's much too easy and erroneous to lump the entire generation into one bag. The 1960-70s was an energetic time of political activism. Some things worked, others did not. What we saw in the late 70s-80s was the conservative pushback against the social progress and liberal agenda of the 60s. At least be discriminating enough to blame those who need blaming.

    1. When Capitalism is unregulated, certain demographics end up blocked from doing their best.
    2. Obviously adjustments would have to be made. Regardless, a level playing field, giving everyone the opportunity (who wants it) to excel is better than a system based on dog eat dog.

    Again- How much money do you need or deserve to live a good life? As much as I want is a poor answer IMO. If you are the smartest person in the country, I don't believe that society should allow you to live like a king enundated with material wealth. Yes, your importance to society should afford you the top level of comfort, but not unlimited wealth at the expense of others. Besides the quality of our lives is not based on an excess of material wealth is it?
     
  23. bent christian, Jul 29, 2016
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    I am. The very conservative Baby Boom generation was there help to elect Ronald Regan. It couldn't have happened without support from the largest age demographic in the country at that time. I guess you will say that the continued neoliberal agenda through the 1990's, into the 2000's and continuing onward to today had nothing to do with your generation, though they had full control of the establishment during these times.


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    The pampered lifestyle of self interest continues today, as 'Boomers rarely admit their own responsibility for the state of world affairs. The popular narrative, and I guess the one @Huntn wants to push, is the idea that this generation's legacy should be defined by what a few people may have done in their 20's, which is of course completely ridiculous.
     
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    As much as I want and as much as I can obtain. IMO it's a great answer.

    How is it at the expensive of others? I become successful, I pay for services others are offering(lawn, medical, auto care.) I buy goods(food, fuel, entertainment, housing, numerous others). Others are given the opportunity to earn those profits from my purchases.

    Each individual defines what their quality of life is based on. Some choose to sit and do nothing to attempt to improve their situation. Others go out work hard, fail, pick themselves up and work hard again.
     
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    I'm not ruffled in the least. You can take any generation of humans and put them into a situation, and then speculate how your generation would have been superior in those circumstances. :)
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    I won't go round and round with you, but it's a terrible answer... imo. :)
     

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