Top Democrat: Obamacare Was a Mistake

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  1. aaronvan Suspended

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    Basically, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is griping because Obamacare didn't help the Democrats electorally.

    He's going to catch some flak for this. Watch for the retraction in the next couple days.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...shouldnt-have-bothered-to-reform-health-care/
     
  2. TimelessOne macrumors regular

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    And yet another example of why I think the world is a better place every time when a politician dies.

    They care more about their own power than what is better for the people.
     
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    The more people understand this the better off we will be.
     
  4. citizenzen Suspended

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    Obamacare is meant to help people get health insurance.

    If Schumer's measure of success is how many votes it garners, then he's lost sight of what is important in legislating.

    It's about the people.

    Not your votes.
     
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    He knows what's important. Getting wall street lobbyists to give him money.
     
  6. citizenzen Suspended

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    We need to change the system to once again bring the focus back to the people. But we don't have the wherewithal to achieve it. I'd love to see proportional representation and publicly financed elections, to start. But seriously, what are the chances?
     
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    Can I come, too! :eek:
     
  8. Southern Dad, Nov 25, 2014
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    The problem is that the ACA hasn't been successful at getting those people insurance.
     
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    Source?
     
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    Typical ass hole politician caring more about his party and votes than doing the people's work. Embarrassed that he's my Senator.
     
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    Let's do some simple math… The President said just under 7 million people signed up. How many people did he claim were uninsured just a couple years ago when we were having to pass this? This doesn't take a PhD to figure out that there's a bunch of folks still uninsured.
     
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    Actually looks like 27 million have signed up: http://obamacaresignups.net.
     
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    QFT. This is the reason I will never vote.
     
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    I've never understood this kind of thinking. The only sure way to convince a politician that your views are meaningless is to fail to vote. And if you do not like the people running the government, run for office yourself.
     
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    The ACA is about much more than simply getting the uninsured coverage.

    For one thing, it addressed many of the failures of the private insurance market. You can no longer be denied coverage for "pre-existing conditions" - which used to bankrupt thousands of Americans every year. It also means than millions of Americans have the freedom to change jobs, since they aren't tied only to those that offer coverage.

    The ACA has been tremendously beneficial to the millions of Americans who are self-employed: the army of consultants, contractors, and small businesspeople who need to buy insurance on their own. As Uber CEO Travis Kalanick put it:

    Emphasis mine. And thats the point. The reality is that jobs working for big companies are going to be the exception, rather than the rule going forward. And so if we aren't going to have Single Payer Universal Healthcare, then we simply have to have something like the ACA in order to succeed as an economy.

    It also has already begun to change the ruinous increases in medical costs that threatened to beggar the US economy. According to this Bloomberg story to this Bloomberg story, medical spending in 2019 in the US will be $500 billion less thanks to the ACA. That is serious money.

    So: Millions more have coverage. Those that had it already have better coverage that can't be denied or taken away. The US economy saving $500 billion a year. And it is reducing the deficit too.

    Its not perfect: but its working.
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, abstaining is still a 'vote' as such. If I was in power, it'd speak louder to me than the people who did actually vote for someone.
     
  19. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    The problem is that those in power can't tell the difference between disaffected and people who are content with the status quo and can't be bothered.

    If you hate all the options go to the polling station and spoil your ballot.
     
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    Term limits would be a good first step. Unfortunately, the Congress would have to pass it or it would require a Constitutional amendment.

    Ending gerrymandering would be a good second step.

    We'll never get the money out of politics so that's not even worth worrying about.
     
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    You live in a Representative Democracy. . What's your alternative? Get more involved in the process, maybe vote? ;)
     
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    I do vote. Sadly it has been a long time since I felt like I was voting for the best candidate. It really comes down to voting for the smaller of 2 huge piles of crap. No matter who wins it is still a huge pile of crap.
    Mix this with in most of the country the general election is a dog and pony show and meaningless. The real election is primaries. Where I live this puts my vote in the worthless category. The winner is who ever wins the gop primary. Since I can not nor will I vote in the gop primary my vote falls in the worthless category. They know the general is lock and a dog and pony show.
     
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    Amen to that. Voting is almost tiresome, nowadays.
     
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    Medical care in the US is overpriced.
    I dislike obamacare because it camoflages the artificially high prices by having the government jump in and pay the extra without individuals directly noticing it. It does not solve the underlying problem, but instead distributes the cost over many people, so it is less appearant that medical treatment in the US is grotesquely overpriced.
     
  25. Huntn macrumors G5

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    Well, I can't disagree with you. For myself, it feels like we were climbing through the 60s (a lot of "we"), and then the "liberal" backlash, and now we are sliding on the long slow "me" descent, giving away our liberties for security, possibly a State religion, endorsed religious discrimination, and instead of helping the people rise, holding them down, "You want me to pay for your education and health care? And what's this about minupimum wage? Be thankful you have a job working for Mr, Scrooge!" ;)
     

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