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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by AdonisSMU, Jan 22, 2016.
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I can support Trump the 'Moderate' KING!!!!
Top republicans are neocons and RINO's.
Neocons and RINO's are not conservatives.
I'll take my chances with Trump over any establishment RINO.
Like being moderate is somehow bad?? Obamacare/Romneycare, continuing Bush tax cuts, the number of Republicans Obama brought into his cabinet while President... agreeing on parts of the TPP... only those out of touch would say Obama hasn't compromised or reached across the aisle.
Nor are they liberals, before anyone gets a chance to claim it.
In all possibility, November won't be a lose-lose proposition. No candidate is perfect, but Trump and Sanders are doing the best job at winning over the masses, and I did not except recent turn of events to go in Sanders' favor.
For the GOP establishment to swing to Trump now is a shameless admission of the party's implosion. They're all on record earlier as dismissing him and calling him out for not being what "the party" needed. They were right, and so now they get behind him with WSJ editorials and support from Congressmen like Peter King?
Unbelievable. Suicidal. They'll lose the Senate majority and the WH.
Paul Ryan must be trying to figure out if he can round up some traction in the House to make endorsements for someone else before the RNC puts a heavier hand on getting with the Trump program.
How could Ryan possibly want to try to work with Trump? Guy doesn't even know what the conservative platform on social issues is. He would sign a bill if it said "bound to be a moneymaker" above the place where they put the little plastic tab on a page, pointing to where to sign off on the thing.
Think about McConnell. I don't see him and Trump getting along either. Mitch already doesn't like Cruz acting like a bull that slipped a chain, running over to chat up House Republicans. So imagine Trump calling up Democrats to shoot the breeze about some trade agreement idea before he runs it past his own (nominal) party's Congressional leadership.
In the recent iterations of Congress, you don't even cross the aisle to borrow a pen, never mind trade ideas. That should change, of course, but how Trump would initiate it (inadvertently) is not how it will happen in any constructive way.
I would love to be privy to some of the conversations people like Ryan and McConnell must be having around the beltway right now.
They're conservative. Just not completely over the deep end like the Tea Party.
You mean Neocons. No thanks.
Bring on trump.
Donald is a confusing chameleon. His political record shows him to be a moderate (and at times a Democratic supporter and Democratic Party donor). But the words that come from his mouth (today) make him look like a right-wing ultra-nationalist.
He is probably somewhere in between (as a hypothetical President). But we will never know since he'll never win the Presidency. The GOP is trying hard to unseat him hoping to replace him with a low-energy GOP Establishment candidate.
I suppose Trump could win the Presidency, but only if the GOP Elite fails to unseat him, and only if he was pitted against Democratic Nominee Bernie Sanders the Communist.
In reality, Sanders is closer to Eisenhower... And by today's standards even Reagan would be decried as an ultra liberal bleeding heart...
But how exactly is Sanders a Communist? Because he gives taxpayer funded corporate welfare to companies that offshore jobs to communist countries like how other elected officials vote on like how all congress members do?? Is Bill Gates now a communist because, on several occasions, his company gave source code to China and the mainstream press like Forbes told the tale, along with tech publications like ZDNet? So do be more specific on what the term is because I doubt anybody has a clue any longer.
Ad do people really need to put out the lecture on the actual definitions of "communism", "socialism", and so on? are Americans so misinformed, or knowledgeable but choose to misinform others anyway?
I don't think Trump is a conservative or really a republican. I do think it's funny that he's making the RNC a bit scared just like Sanders is making the DNC a bit scared.
I don't think the DNC is scared of Sanders so much as they really, really like Hillary.
When you inject doubt into something you really, really, like you cause fear. I really don't get the love affair with Clinton TBH she not really a Dem, Lib, or progressive she's just that lady that can win maybe.
Think about what Macsix says about Hillary. How her coronation is all but assured, how she has deep ties in everything, and blah blah blah. Well, that is somewhat true concerning the DNC. She obvious has a ton of sway in the party, and it looks like she's going out of her way to make damn sure she isn't Obama'd for a second time in a row.
And you're right, Hillary is only a Democrat when compared against Tea Party Republicans. If she were running in the 90's, she would've been on a hard right Republican ticket.
I don't see that poster
Probably because his name is maxsix, not macsix.
Trump is just a demagogue. I doubt he really believes anything he says or cares about implementing any of it.
Uh huh, that's it yes sir
IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE, ALRITE?
Quit judging me.
This is my self portrait obviously taken with my narcissism stick...
I didn't know you were Judge Judy!
...and I don't want to know what you're about to do with your mouth in that shot.
I'm about to eat a Krapfen because Easter is coming. Jeeez you don't know anything
That's now an essential problem with American politics. Doubt is a crucial underpinning of critical thinking. In valid applications of science, doubt must exist while one works through hypotheses with tests and analysis of results.
In politics, doubt is actually the normal state of mind with which one would approach policy analysis. But instead we've arrived at a binary state, where people self-select into right and left groups. We see, hear and echo only yes or no, stop or go. And the option to consider "fifty shades of grey" is relegated to the book review section. Doubt then becomes as you say, a weapon with which to induce fear. Right and left use it generously.
On topic, I don't know where the RNC and/or Republican establishment is going with Trump. You could argue any support is some tactical maneuver to cause peak-to-soon or to bring out of the woodwork enough wackos to cause revulsion among sane voters at the ballot box. Saying Trump is too moderate suddenly seems to have become yesterday's GOP headline except for contributors to the National Review's conservative establishment, anti-Trump issue.
There are some in the Senate, so far represented largely by proxy in public, and their donors, mostly represented by protections of dark money, who have concluded that backing Trump at least in the primaries is a way of dethroning Cruz. You sort of wonder if establishment GOP types figure there's still a chance for one of the slightly more moderate conservtives, Kasich maybe, to work the ladder of primary elections more successfullly than as indicated by the GOP debates.
Now Cruz himself, through his recent prior actions in Congress, does seem to have instilled a doubt in some quarters that has resulted in fear of him as suitable candidate. It's interesting that his antics are what promoted his leap into the race and yet the effect on Senators of those same antics now lingers and threatens his further ascent.
You're right. I don't know what a Krapfen is!
Once again, I'm confused about what attributes you think that a "real" conservative or "real" Republican (not a neocon or RINO) would have?