Transparent Health Care Negotiations?

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  1. IntheNet macrumors regular

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    COUNT THE LIES: OBAMA VOWED 8 X TO TELEVISE HEALTHCARE
    http://www.drudgereport.com/

    C-SPAN Challenges Congress to Open Health Care Talks to TV Coverage
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-congress-open-health-care-talks-tv-coverage/
    The head of C-SPAN has implored Congress to open up the last leg of health care reform negotiations to the public, as top Democrats lay plans to hash out the final product among themselves.

    Obama's Health Care Pledge: Getting a Deal Trumps Making the Process Transparent
    Politics Daily
    Lynn Sweet, Columnist
    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/1...e-pledge-making-a-deal-trumps-making-it-open/
    When candidate Barack Obama was criss-crossing the country in his two-year presidential campaign, a standard part of his stump speech -- lines that always won him applause -- had to do with his promise to negotiate health care reform in public, on C-SPAN, for all to see. As the wrangling over health overhaul legislation heads into its final stretch, it's clear that was a promise President Obama did not keep. The dealmaking remained behind closed doors.
     
  2. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    If they did televise it it would just be a pony show and they'd do the real work later.
     
  3. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    What negotiation? The Republicans have offered nothing, and I mean NOTHING to the discussion other than Democrats want to kill grandma, there are death panels and healthcare reform needs to be stopped.

    Internal discussions about what the Democrats are going to present to the country as a unified front are very different from negotiations with the other side.

    If the Republicans want to negotiate in public, I'm certain the Democrats would be happy to set up the cameras.
     
  4. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    That is a lame excuse and you know it.

    Have you forgotten about all the problems just getting the dems on board with the healthcare bill. Now they are doing closed door meetings.

    All this proves to me is Obama is the same power hungry scumbag as we have had for a very long time.

    Face it nothing has changed other than the face of who is in office. Hope and change my ass. I hoped most people saw that as a lie during the campaign and knew nothing was going to changed. Nothing has changed for decades other than the face.
     
  5. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Time out. It is a lame excuse for Democrats to not be able to all uniformly rally behind their leader, but we don't have a Rush Limbaugh or Foxnews like the Republicans do, so we have to try as hard as we can to come up to a consensus.

    Sorry, that was silly, but really a group of people that large has to have the ability to find their common ground, and the President promised that his negotiations would be public. Last time I checked, everthing he has done has been public.

    The Democrats are pretty good about honoring sepration of powers, unlike previous adminstrations that believed they were above things like congressional investigations and judicial orders.
     
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    I don't know why Obama would promise that in the first place. Chalk it up to noob mistakes. Although I'd love to see the negotiations and see all those law makers raise their blood pressure.
     
  7. OriginalFormula macrumors regular

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    That's a lame excuse, and you know it.

    A televised meeting at this point would only serve to undermine the RNC. Democrats would offer solutions, and Republicans would just sit there and say "no, no no."
     
  8. paddy macrumors 6502a

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    The Dems included Repub ideas in the healthcare bill and the GOP just vetoed it anyway.

    And they can't have rational healthcare debates in public because the party faithful have been brainwashed into believing that Obama wants to kill them, is a socialist, muslim, nazi, etc. etc.

    People like you are exactly the kind of thing that inhibit rational, meaningful debate and any progress in society.
     
  9. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The dems propose solutions and then undermine them by giving in to special interests is more likely to be shown.
     
  10. 63dot macrumors 603

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    Exactly.

    Lots of deals between the GOP and Dems were struck over whiskey when Tip would come over to visit Ronny (according to Mrs. Reagan). Say what you want about the former First Lady, but one thing she wasn't was a liar. Democracy in action you could call it.
     
  11. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    There are certain issues that red politicians know they will be crucified for voting with even if they do get a few compromises. I don't know why this surprises anyone, some dems wouldn't even vote for the bill with the abortion language as it was pre-senate final.

    Its more likely that they can't have rational debate in public because they are wheeling and dealing with special interests and other dems to get contributions and votes to support the bill. Politics as usual has not changed a bit and they know the public would be sick to their stomach if they watched it.
     
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    This is quite true. I was thinking more the town hall style transparency, where the public might be better represented.

    You're right though, politics as usual hasn't changed. If people did watch it though and were sick to their stomachs, the fat cats might just be given a kick where needed.
     
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    Sadly, this is true.

    Everyone who expected to see Obama go after this with guns blazing must be disappointed. I know I'm disappointed at the weakness and lack of unity that the Dems have shown since Obama was sworn in.

    Politics as usual indeed.
     
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    What hasnt been transparent about it?
    Good deals, bad deals, pork, special interests, advancements, obstruction, compromise... Its all there right out in the open...

    Did i miss something?

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    Well they do have to allow people to at least attempt to read the bills before they are voted on, so this stuff would come out regardless.
     
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    This is true...although the atmosphere is so polarized nowadays there's little of that back room dealmaking going on any more.

    This whole bill's something of a farce anyway. It's like the Dems are CONTROL sitting under the Cone of Silence, and the Republicans are KAOS, complaining about not being able to listen in.
     
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    Thats if you think the democrats are doing whats in your best interest, which is pretty naive given the bill we've been handed. They have to wheel and deal their own members in order to get votes. Without the sweetheart deals we wouldn't even be talking about merging these two bills. The dems knew the pitchforks were coming out on one side, but now they are coming out on both because the change they are proposing: sucks.
     
  18. ArrowSmith macrumors regular

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    Liberals don't care about transparency - they want results. Meaning single-payer by hook or crook.
     
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    Please, please be true. I don't care how they get it, that result would be worth hook and crook.
     
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    You prove my point about liberals. The ends justify the means. You wouldn't care if we had a tyrant instead of a President as long as you got single-payer.
     
  21. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The dems aren't getting what they want out of this bill, no one is. I would rather have a single payer then this proposed system of corporate welfare. Before this whole issue came up I was against single payer completely, if you listen to people in the UK now they are pretty happy with their health care even though they know there is room for improvement. Our system as is is going to crumble under its own weight.
     
  22. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Really, cause you got your war in Iraq. Pot, meet kettle.
     
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    We've had our disagreements, but I'd kiss you if I could. We agree!
     
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    I myself am torn, crappy proposal but better then nothing/existing plan...
     
  25. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Probably the last time we will agree on something :D I am tired of the propoganda surrounding this crap, we have access to plenty of people who use different health systems on this board and they all seem fine. Are there issues? Yes but at least they are fixing a working system instead of trying to perpetuate a broken one.

    The dems landed themselves between a rock and a hard spot on this one, I have thought about it and I can't foresee a win at all unless the bill is drastically different from the one in senate. The dems compromised way too much instead of sticking to their guns, now they face conflict in their own party.
     

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