TrendForce: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Hit Shelves This Fall

GrumpyCoder

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Because it is getting more clear that it is a "macbook" rather than a "macbook pro".
How is that getting more clear? It will have up to a 8-core CPU. Are you saying it won't have a GPU?

I hope they have heavily modified the scissor switch keyboard and won't return to the 2015 wibbly-wobbly piece of cr&% of a keyboard. The butterfly is the best keyboard when it comes it typing, still disappointed they never released an external version. Would have replaced all my mechanical keyboards with it. Touchbar is a must, saves so much time. Problem is, there's no external version. 4x USB-C is fine. Hope it won't be bigger/thicker. All they really have to do is improve the screen/bezels and modify the cooling a little. But I'm afraid they have done more (and screwed it up).

As for price, 6 or 8 core machine, 32GB, 1TB drive and decent GPU for $4k to $4.5k is totally fine.

The term "Pro" is overrated. What is a pro? I've just ordered a $125k Dell box (20c/40t Xeon, 384GB RAM, 4x Nvidia V100 SMX2 with 32GB each) to do some basic computation, for more I use cloud services, because it's too expensive to buy. A laptop will never have enough processing power for heavy workloads, so one could argue if any mobile device can be pro. Then again, a person answering emails all day long can be a pro.
 

cmaier

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How is that getting more clear? It will have up to a 8-core CPU. Are you saying it won't have a GPU?

I hope they have heavily modified the scissor switch keyboard and won't return to the 2015 wibbly-wobbly piece of cr&% of a keyboard. The butterfly is the best keyboard when it comes it typing, still disappointed they never released an external version. Would have replaced all my mechanical keyboards with it. Touchbar is a must, saves so much time. Problem is, there's no external version. 4x USB-C is fine. Hope it won't be bigger/thicker. All they really have to do is improve the screen/bezels and modify the cooling a little. But I'm afraid they have done more (and screwed it up).

As for price, 6 or 8 core machine, 32GB, 1TB drive and decent GPU for $4k to $4.5k is totally fine.

The term "Pro" is overrated. What is a pro? I've just ordered a $125k Dell box (20c/40t Xeon, 384GB RAM, 4x Nvidia V100 SMX2 with 32GB each) to do some basic computation, for more I use cloud services, because it's too expensive to buy. A laptop will never have enough processing power for heavy workloads, so one could argue if any mobile device can be pro. Then again, a person answering emails all day long can be a pro.
Butterfly has no key travel. Hardly the “best keyboard when it comes it [sic] typing,” even when it works.
 

NickName99

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I did consider it. But rumors are rumors and I didn't want to return it only for the 16" to not materialize.

We'll see how much it costs, I wouldn't have wanted to spend a lot more just for that 1".
It’s actually more like a half inch. The 15” MBP has a 15.4” display.

I wouldn’t sweat it at all, the 16” won’t perform any better. I’ve got a 2018 MBP 15” and I love it. I think the keyboard feel is fine.

At home, one USB-C plug is my eGPU + 4K display + power. The other USB-C plug is for my keyboard, mouse, SD Card reader, and external storage.

I think the only reason to switch would be if you strongly prefer the feel of the 16” keyboard, if you’re mainly using your MBP as a laptop.
 
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R3k

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This feels so weird, a healthy release cycle on Macs again. It feels just like yesterday they first put out the Touch Bar models, that conditioned I’ve become after Apple dropped the ball on updates for a few years.

Exited.
 

GrumpyCoder

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Butterfly has no key travel. Hardly the “best keyboard when it comes it [sic] typing,” even when it works.
That's not true, the butterfly has minimal travel, which makes it so good to type on. See, I had a typo in the previous message and guess what... I'm typing this on a mechanical keyboard because Apple still has not released an external butterfly keyboard. I've used mechanical keyboards for over 30 years and used to love them as the best. The amount of travel on the keys makes them a real pain once used to the butterfly. I'm typing much faster on butterfly, but I'm also making more typos on mechanical keyboards now since I'm so used to butterfly. Again, if I could, I would happily replace all my keyboards with butterflys. When I'm sitting on my desk, I usually have the MBP closed, attached to a TB3 dock which is attached to displays. No way to use the butterfly keyboard that way. :(
 

eattherich

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To everyone who's upset about having just bought a 15": it doesn't suddenly mean yours is useless. Also, as you're a clearly a member on a Mac rumours website, it might be worth looking into these things before making a big purchase. The rumours of the 16" coming this year have been floating around for many months now.

Don't worry about having something that'll soon not be the latest or the biggest and best. It really doesn't matter. Just enjoy what you have. I see too many people worrying about how their new purchases will soon be outdated. You know, this will always be the case so I recommend trying to enjoy what you have and stop wanting (what, in this case, doesn't even exist yet).
 

tmmacops

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Unless they fix the BridgeOS issue, and the unplanned reboots for no reason then it really doesn't matter. Apple has gone downhill...
 

GrumpyCoder

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Don't worry about having something that'll soon not be the latest or the biggest and best. It really doesn't matter.
This! What I don't get is people complaining about not having enough power with the just-bought older version. When your workflow really depends so much on performance, buy a workstation, server or rent something in the cloud. Much faster than a laptop. And a "pro" that depends so much on more mobile power, doesn't have a problem buying a new laptop every 6 month, because these machines make you money and pay for themselves.
 

Zen_Arcade

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I’m expecting overpriced SSD soldered to the motherboard, no butterfly keyboard, same performance as 15”. No physical function keys.

Pretty much a slightly bigger screen, different keyboard, higher price, that’s it.
Sad but probably accurate.
 

jardinager

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I’m expecting overpriced SSD soldered to the motherboard, no butterfly keyboard, same performance as 15”. No physical function keys.

Pretty much a slightly bigger screen, different keyboard, higher price, that’s it.
I think you’re dead on.
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I don't expect to see a price change at all. Just 16" will be the new 15".
You are dreaming.
The tariffs alone ensure a price hike.
 
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calaverasgrande

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Remember when an announcement like this fueled anticipation?
I used to fanboy so hard over new Apple product leaks.
Yet somehow I am now filled with dread that they will give us a good keyboard, bigger display, but foist a new proprietary connector on us, or eliminate the headphone jack.
Heck, who wants to place bets it eschews all jacks except power and debuts wireless thunderbolt.
Or this will be the Arm processor laptop.
 

jardinager

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Remember when an announcement like this fueled anticipation?
I used to fanboy so hard over new Apple product leaks.
Yet somehow I am now filled with dread that they will give us a good keyboard, bigger display, but foist a new proprietary connector on us, or eliminate the headphone jack.
Heck, who wants to place bets it eschews all jacks except power and debuts wireless thunderbolt.
Or this will be the Arm processor laptop.
Right on. Apple will hobble this thing... in a least a few ways. It will not be the Savior MBP folks have worked themselves up for. There will be disappointment.
 

fokmik

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It’s actually more like a half inch. The 15” MBP has a 15.4” display.

I wouldn’t sweat it at all, the 16” won’t perform any better. I’ve got a 2018 MBP 15” and I love it. I think the keyboard feel is fine.

At home, one USB-C plug is my eGPU + 4K display + power. The other USB-C plug is for my keyboard, mouse, SD Card reader, and external storage.

I think the only reason to switch would be if you strongly prefer the feel of the 16” keyboard, if you’re mainly using your MBP as a laptop.
who said its 16.0" ? its called like this, like we all call 13" and 15" mbp...but the real diagonal will be around 16.4" because of that rumoured resolution and macOS catalina scaling
 

jlocker

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My 2009 Macpro died last week, was going to replace it anyway because it will not run Catalina. Was going to get a New Mac Pro tower, the $7000 dollar model but I changed my mind. I was keeping my Machines 10 years and upgrading, but decided to go with a $3500 new MacBook Pro the 16in model and replace it every 5 years and I can take it to work and to and yes, still exiting Mac User Group KMUG. Also I can get a external eGPU case and keep it at home and hook up to my LG 43in Computer Display for a larger and faster monitor.

Also I got a Netgear 802.11AX router, hoping the new model has the WIFI Gen 6 chip inside.
 

Sabelonada

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What if this isn't a MacBook Pro but a product more like the original MacBook Air? The Air was a premium laptop but wasn't it lower powered than the contemporary MacBook Pros?
 

Satch111

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My 2019 MacBook Pro is solid and never crashes or reboots so I guess its fixed!

Unless they fix the BridgeOS issue, and the unplanned reboots for no reason then it really doesn't matter. Apple has gone downhill...
 

cmaier

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That's not true, the butterfly has minimal travel, which makes it so good to type on. See, I had a typo in the previous message and guess what... I'm typing this on a mechanical keyboard because Apple still has not released an external butterfly keyboard. I've used mechanical keyboards for over 30 years and used to love them as the best. The amount of travel on the keys makes them a real pain once used to the butterfly. I'm typing much faster on butterfly, but I'm also making more typos on mechanical keyboards now since I'm so used to butterfly. Again, if I could, I would happily replace all my keyboards with butterflys. When I'm sitting on my desk, I usually have the MBP closed, attached to a TB3 dock which is attached to displays. No way to use the butterfly keyboard that way. :(
Any ergonomics expert will tell you that reduced key travel is a good way to cause repetitive stress injuries. You may enjoy the butterflies and the little bit of surprise you get each time you press a key and the letter you typed actually shows up, and shows up only once, but for the rest of us we prefer that every key press produces one and only one character on the screen, and that our fingers and wrists keep working after age 39.
 

jardinager

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Apple already said they would absorb the tarrifs.
Oh sure they will. Sure.

Not a chance, brother.

The prices of currently released products will remain the same, yes. But watch the price points soar as they are refreshed - and especially with new products. Get ready to pay.
 
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