Trump’s call for the National Guard at southern border all for show

Rogifan

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This is shocking to no one. Trump throws a fit and DHS scrambles to do something to get him to stop complaining. And the MAGA crowd gets played once again but are too stupid or delusional to know they’re being played.


Maria Pena (@mariauxpen)
4/4/18, 8:44 PM
DHS secretary, Kirtsjen Nielsen, told Mexican govt the National Guard won't carry guns & will only provide logistical & other support. Just like in 2006 and 2010, they won't be allowed to make arrests, unless Congress changes rules (not likely)... a big show for Trump´s base.
 

ViperDesign

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I have to believe that our troops, in any of the services, spend a lot of time thinking to themselves, “What the **** is that moron up to now??”
Well as a National Guardsman you work another job usually and now have to leave that job to sit and basically do nothing for who knows how long. I heard a Senator saying on Fox News that the National Guard loves doing this work. I am sorry but if I was them there is no way in hell I would enjoy doing that work. Can’t do anything, can’t arrest anyone, can’t shoot anyone. You are there for one reason only, A Show for the President.

I believe the other two or three presidents that used them at least got them to work building or rebuilding areas of the border. Not sitting there
 

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I am al for this. The Southern border has been a mess and wide open for far to long. Since congress can't get their act together and come up with a solution then why not use the National Guard to help in protecting it.

I hope they stay in place until Congress gets off their duffs and address the issue with solutions that will actually work.
 
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samcraig

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I am al for this. The Southern border has been a mess and wide open for far to long. Since congress can't get their act together and come up with a solution then why not use the National Guard to help in protecting it.

I hope they stay in place until Congress gets off their duffs and address the issue with solutions that will actually work.
You're all for faux/worthless actions when it's also been show that illegal border crossings are pretty much at an all time low and have been trending that way for years?
 

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You're all for faux/worthless actions when it's also been show that illegal border crossings are pretty much at an all time low and have been trending that way for years?
Did I mention illegal crossings in my post? Nope

There is much more to the border issue than just illegal aliens crossing it. Drugs, guns, terrorists ect...
 

raqball

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Do you have stats on those that show the trend for 5-10 years? I'd be curious in seeing that.
I worked in narcotics enforcement and fully understand were the majority of guns and drugs are coming in from. But sure there is a lot of data on the subjects. The Border Patrol, ICE, DEA and ATF should have the numbers, all though scattered about, that you seek.

Here is a snip from the DEA: Full report --> https://www.dea.gov/docs/DIR-040-17_2017-NDTA.pdf
Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs): Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. These TCOs maintain territorial influence over large regions in Mexico used for the cultivation, production, importation, and transportation of illicit drugs.

Colombian TCOs: Colombian TCOs maintain control over the production and supply of cocaine to Mexican TCOs. Smaller Colombian TCOs maintain direct cocaine and heroin pipelines into the United States through couriers and maritime trafficking, as well as air cargo on commercial flights. Some Colombian TCOs also maintain a U.S.-presence to assist in the laundering of illicit proceeds.

Dominican TCOs: Dominican TCOs are mainly active on the East Coast, where they work in collaboration with other TCOs, such as Mexican TCOs, to receive their wholesale illicit drug supply. Some U.S.-based Dominican TCOs receive direct supplies of cocaine and heroin, generally small quantities, from local TCOs in the Dominican Republic.
Heroin: The population using heroin, the number of heroin seizures by law enforcement, and the number of heroin-related overdose deaths have increased as heroin availability has increased. Opium poppy cultivation and heroin production in Mexico, believed to be the primary source of heroin for the U.S. market, have continued to surge, providing traffickers a steady stream of high- purity, low-cost heroin to market throughout the United States.

Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids: Illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids — primarily sourced from China and Mexico and shipped directly to the United States or trafficked overland via Mexico and Canada — are contributing factors in the current synthetic opioid overdose epidemic. Traffickers in the United States usually mix fentanyl into heroin products and sometimes other illicit drugs, or press it into counterfeit prescription pills, often without users’ awareness, which leads to overdose incidents.

Methamphetamine: Methamphetamine remains a prevalent threat, with most of the methamphetamine available in the United States being produced in Mexico and smuggled across the Southwest Border (SWB). Domestic production continues to occur at much lower levels than in Mexico, and seizures of domestic methamphetamine laboratories have declined.

Cocaine: Cocaine availability and use in the United States are rebounding, with some domestic cocaine data sets reaching or surpassing 2007 benchmark levels. In addition, coca cultivation and cocaine production in Colombia, the primary source of supply for cocaine in the United States, continue to increase.
Feel free to source additional information if you like as there is a TON of it out there..
 

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I am al for this. The Southern border has been a mess and wide open for far to long. Since congress can't get their act together and come up with a solution then why not use the National Guard to help in protecting it.

I hope they stay in place until Congress gets off their duffs and address the issue with solutions that will actually work.
How do you propose compensating companies and individuals for the economic loss of having the NG deployed for an indefinite period of time? Doing SFA.
 

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So what? At least there is some force behind it unlike when Obama actually did do a dog and pony show.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/border-troops-deployed-obama-bush/index.html
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Oregon governor Kate Brown said that she would reject a request to send National Guard troops from her state.

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/381738-oregon-governor-ill-say-no-if-trump-asks-me-to-deploy-oregon-guard
Oregon military support is the laughing stock of the military. Everyone knows it. She acts like she’s got something to contribute when it’s other states and active duty that ultimately covers their butts when anything happens. There isn’t even an active duty base in her state.
 

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This is shocking to no one. Trump throws a fit and DHS scrambles to do something to get him to stop complaining. And the MAGA crowd gets played once again but are too stupid or delusional to know they’re being played.
Maybe the National Guardsmen can dance in mini parades (daily) to amuse the southern border residents. I'm sure Moron-in-Chief will sign an executive order ordering them to practice "war games" and military drills at their border stations, thinking it will intimidate the Mexicans on the other side. :D
 
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iMi

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I travel to foreign countries. It's getting incredibly difficult to keep a straight face when the topic of American politics comes up. He's such a ****ing embarrassment.

I'll have to start telling people that I'm from Canada if he keeps up this level of stupidity much longer. :D
 

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I travel to foreign countries. It's getting incredibly difficult to keep a straight face when the topic of American politics comes up. He's such a ****ing embarrassment.

I'll have to start telling people that I'm from Canada if he keeps up this level of stupidity much longer. :D
Really?

I was in a couple of the former eastern block European countries a few months ago and most there absolutely loved Trump. Guess it must depend on where someone goes and whom they associate with with while there.

I dunno, my experiences are different than yours were, that's all I am saying.
 

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Really?

I was in a couple of the former eastern block European countries a few months ago and most there absolutely loved Trump. Guess it must depend on where someone goes and whom they associate with with while there.

I dunno, my experiences are different than yours were, that's all I am saying.
Maybe you only hung with the white people, the same people he retweeted on twitter that one time?

Just a thought
 
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Really?

I was in a couple of the former eastern block European countries a few months ago and most there absolutely loved Trump. Guess it must depend on where someone goes and whom they associate with with while there.

I dunno, my experiences are different than yours were, that's all I am saying.
I travel mostly to Asia where people have not been eager to embrace the nationalist movement that is sweeping Europe and America. Are you surprised Eastern Europeans are loving Trump? Look at what's happening in countries like Poland. They are a heartbeat away from having a full-blown Nazi state. It's ridiculous.

Russia? Well, there is a thing about those guys and Trump... you know. Just a tiny little connection. So, yes... it depends on where you go. In Asia, not so great...
 

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Now all I can picture is that episode of The Office when Dwight, as a County Volunteer Sheriff's Deputy finds a joint in the parking lot.
Yeah that's what I did... :rolleyes:

Anything to contribute other than attempting to discredit someones professional experience?
 

iMi

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That’s cute. She actually thinks she has the choice.
That's cute. Because she very much so has a choice.

Trump cannot order national guard to any state to perform civil law enforcement duties. That would be illegal. Only a Governor of that state can mobilize National Guard in that fashion. The federal government can only deploy National Guard as supporting role to state agencies who are performing the civil enforcement duties and even then a Governor can simply refuse.

Even if Trump declaimed a national security emergency to involuntarily mobilize the guard, the law would still restrict their involvement to support function only.

The governor has a say here... not the orange moron, which must really frustrate the **** out of him and I love it.
 
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That's cute. Because she very much so has a choice.

Trump cannot order national guard to any state to perform civil law enforcement duties. That would be illegal. Only a Governor of that state can mobilize National Guard in that fashion. The federal government can only deploy National Guard as supporting role to state agencies who are performing the civil enforcement duties and even then a Governor can simply refuse.

Even if Trump declaimed a national security emergency to involuntarily mobilize the guard, the law would still restrict their involvement to support function only.

The governor has a say here... not the orange moron, which must really frustrate the **** out of him and I love it.
Border protection is a Federal action. Bush and Alabama both did it because it is legal. I was in the National Guard when it was done, for many issues. Not just Border safety.
 
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