Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani: ‘Until the war is over, anything’s legal’

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  1. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Unbelievable. Really unbelievable. Even for Rudy. He is losing it.

    This is a sample of what we can expect should Trump get elected. Anything goes! Screw international law. That's some law and order campaign there. :rolleyes: This "do anything we want" attitude is what makes the U.S. look bad to the rest of the world. We can't write our own rules just because Rudy and Trump want to.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...uliani-until-the-war-is-over-anythings-legal/
     
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    That's a little vauge. Is that an "oh please" Rudy shouldn't have said that, or an "oh please" we should do whatever we want?
     
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    And since the "war on terror" has no clearly defined enemy which to defeat, it never actually has to end. The US is free to commit war crimes forever!
     
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    I will definitely not vote for Rudy Giuliani in November.
     
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    Yes, just keep deflecting from the fact that Trump has willingly surrounded himself with horrible people. It couldn't possible say something about the candidate himself.
     
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    You are under some flawed impression we look good to the rest of the world.
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    Thank you.
     
  8. MadeTheSwitch thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Then we should improve on that, not go with the Rudy/Trump plan of making things even worse by saying anything is legal.
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    Don't vote for anyone he is a surrogate for either then.
     
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    ...but i thought he picks the best people. he LIED TO ME :mad:
     
  10. Populism macrumors regular

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    In my very last post, I said, "Trump is an idiot."

    Here's a linky winky.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/biden-rumor.1994968/#post-23408287

    But careful now - don't click it if non-binary thinking is a trigger for you, APD.
     
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    That's not the right link*, but okay. Fair enough. Though while I'd say Trump has definite mental deficiencies, I don't think that is why he surrounds himself with these kinds of people. I think he actually agrees with them on the Middle East. And worse, he might honestly be naive enough to believe he could actually end terrorism.

    *you can click the number to the top-right of a post to get an exact link.
     
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    Words vs actions
    Hillary is the reason people are still fleeing Libya. Syria will be a bigger mess
     
  13. MadeTheSwitch thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Syria is under a cease fire. True the whole thing could collapse, but at least we (and Russia) are trying.

    Also you do not know what would have happened in Lybia. You do realize there was a civil war brewing there, right? It's quite likely that Gadaffi would have been overthrown eventually, with the same results. The problem isn't who started the ball rolling. The problem is that the situation of power struggles exist in the Middle East at all.
     
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    Their country their problem. Millions are fleeing Libya thanks to Obama & hillarys stupidity , Muslim brotherhood took over. Who ended up with kaddafys arms? Creaking MORONS did not learn their lesson and are looking to double down in Syria.
     
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    And this is the idiot who couldn't do basic arithmetic and also denied FDNY the use of proper equipment after the Twin Tower bombing?! You've got to be ******** me.
     
  16. MadeTheSwitch thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Right there, is reason why we are on the global stage and do not take a reclusive approach to the world. Because one country's problems have a way of spreading outside their borders and becoming the problem of additional countries.

    Granted sometimes we more harm than good. But doing nothing would also be harmful in other ways. What would the world look like if we had sat out the world wars for instance?
     
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    I would seriously suggest listening to this entire podcast if you want to understand a fuller picture of what was going on with Libya in our decision to attack. The civil war narrative was complete and utter nonsense. This was regime change through and through to protect the market system in Africa.

    As usually, the host posts all of the notes and sources she researched: http://www.congressionaldish.com/cd131-bombing-libya/

    I'd love for us to finally admit that we go to war for corporate and geopolitical gain. The sooner we are honest about our actions the sooner we can kick the monsters that support overthrowing governments around the world out of our own.

    Let's also not forget that G.W. Bush had an agreement with Libya during his term(s) that allowed us to transport "suspected terrorists" to the country to be tortured on our behalf. Gaddafi was OUR guy.

    https://www.wired.com/2012/09/helping-gadhafi-torture/

    So again, let's stop the nonsense narrative that Ghadaffi was planning on slaughtering massive amounts of people, the war was a ****ing lie from the beginning and the "leader turns on his own people (gotta say genocide at least three times)" trope is so worn out (how many times have we used that now?) that it should almost immediately turn people into skeptics when our leadership touts it.

    Please understand this post isn't to attack anyone, what Jennifer has done on her Congressional Dish podcast is some of the most comprehensive reporting (from our own many Senate/Congressional hearings) on the actual incentives to go to war in Libya. This is must listen reporting for anyone that truly wants to understand the ways our market system controls most of our war activity.
     
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    like I said, Obama & hillary are MORONS who do more harm than good, killing Kaddaffy has been murder literally for 100's of 1000's of Libyans, and those morons want to do the same in Syria
     
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    So does Rudy exonerate Hillary and Obama for everything that has happened while we've been at war? Or is it only if his candidate does it in the future?
     
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    Yeah - but it's ok because Rudy said everything is legal during time of war ;)
     
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    It's always partisan pattycake. Remember when Cheney said "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" and Bush was hiding war costs out of the general budget, which was bad enough on top of giving more corporate welfare to companies that offshored jobs (which means less tax revenue to pay for the budget and the GOP in a time when they controlled all 3 branches, filibuster-proof, was quick to destroy the bill that would have halted the fleecing) ?

    But when a Democrat comes in, from day 1 if not 0.5, that's when the "liberal spending" is finally brought up. It's a farce. Imagine if Obama tried to get away with saying "Reagan proved"? Heck, people readily dispute this just because Obama is not a white Republican (having played the race card elsewhere, they still use it for this and other articles saying how Obama channeled Reagan: http://www.blackagendareport.com/co...it-bill-clintons-3rd-or-it-ronald-reagans-9th

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...fe509430c39_story.html?utm_term=.1fcc726a7386

    Gee, only 2016? What does he mean by "for a change" when the media has been suggesting Obama never changed and has always channeled Reagan?

    2015:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/11/obama-channels-his-inner-reagan-on-venezuela/

    2014:
    http://thedailybanter.com/2014/08/youre-upset-obamas-golf-game-heres-reagan-goofing-major-events/

    2013:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...agan-to-break-credo-government-is-the-problem
    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/obama-ofa-reagan-clinton-087097

    2012:
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...fers-robust-defense-of-foreign-policy/443247/

    And solely because of the reader comments that people seem to forget about (re: Reagan and why emulating Reagan might not be the most practical thing to do):
    http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/02/07/6004776-2012-channeling-reagan

    2011:
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/05/opinion/la-oe-kinsley-reagan-20110205
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...as-way-to-get-agenda-through-hostile-congress

    2009:
    http://www.newsweek.com/how-barack-obama-ronald-reagan-76667
     
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    I just go back to the fact that both parties need to start worrying less about toeing the party line and do what's best for the country. Not themselves, not big business, etc.
     
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    I have beach front property for sale in AZ :D
     
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    I think you mean to say oceanfront property... there are lakes in AZ ;)
     

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