Trump afraid to use phrase "Radical Islamic Terrorism"

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Hey, an interesting McMaster interview for ABC's "This Week" tomorrow. He says that Trump may avoid using the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism" during his trip to the Mideast:

    President Donald Trump may refrain from using the phrase “radical Islamic terrorism” in a speech to Middle Eastern leaders in Saudi Arabia on Sunday, White House National Security Adviser Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster suggested.

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    McMaster added, “Whatever we call it, we recognize that these are not religious people and in fact, these enemies of all civilization."​

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/20/trump-radical-islamic-terrorism-hr-mcmaster-238640

    Well, now! If these are not religious people, why was Trump so all-fired to tie the "Islamic" tag to them before? ;)
     
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    So he's just like Obama? Great! Good thing he's on the side of the Democrats with this one.
     
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    Trump is total nut job but he isn't stupid. He'll only talk smack behinds people's back.
     
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    Speech in an hour, if he doesn't address radical Islamic terrorists he's a ****ing coward.
     
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    He'll have to go off-script in order to do so:

    Excerpts from President Donald Trump’s speech on Islam released Sunday afternoon do not include the words “radical Islamic terrorism,” a phrase that is considered offensive to Muslims and that McMaster has been trying — and failing — to delete from the president’s vocabulary for months.

    Instead, Trump is expected to talk about “confronting the crisis of Islamist extremism and the Islamist terror groups it inspires” when he makes his first major foreign policy address later this afternoon at a Arab-Islamic -American conference in Riyadh.​

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/21/trump-islam-terrorism-238643

    Not that he hasn't done that before. :) We'll have to see...
     
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    Do you prefer that he does go off script and use the term, or do you prefer he follow in Obama's footsteps on this?
     
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    Oh heck man, Obama had it right. The vast majority of Islamic people around the world detest the fact that ISIS is using the religion's name for their own purposes. Regardless of what ISIS themselves believe, it is stupid to jump onto their bandwagon and say that they are Islamic. That's doing their own job for them.

    Better to deny ISIS their attempt to leverage the entire Islamic faith onto their side. Deprive them of that, and you significantly reduce their strength.
     
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    They are religious people. They are whack jobs who bastardize the Islamic Faith. In American Terms, They are Radical Islamic Terrorists. However, in their country to true Islam Followers, that term doesn't make sense as they don't see them as followers of Islam.

    IMO he'll use whatever term is appropriate for his audience. Over here, we see them as Radical Islamic Terrorist Nut Jobs but over there when speaking to people who are of Islamic faith who don't see ISIS as true Islam followers, the term isn't necessarily applicable. That said, ISIS does quote the Koran and radicalize what that religion professes so IMO it is applicable from our view point.
     
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    I prefer that this goose continues laying golden eggs for Democrats in 2018 and 2020. I really hope they don't impeach him, this is a gift from the political gods.
     
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    Otherwise known as, "political pandering."
    Good thing trump's not like all those other professional politicians. ;)
     
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    Oh, cool. So, if anybody decides to start beheading people in the name of Christ, and saying that the Bible is all the reason they need to declare war on the rest of the world, the appropriate term for them would be Radical Christian Terrorists. Because of course they are Christians; they believe in Christ, and follow his word! They said so themselves! ;)
     
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    If you want to replace ISIS Islam with Christianity you'd hear the exact same sentiment from me. What else should you do? Call them radical terrorists who believe in Allah and Islam but don't actually?
     
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    You should call them what they are -- murderous opportunists who are cynically using the Islamic faith as a screen for what they really want, which is to dominate land and people by force.

    Man, if the leaders of ISIS could use indulgences from the Pope to get people to kill for them, they'd be perfectly happy to call their movement a "crusade" rather than a "jihad". It's pure semantics to them; all they want is to have an excuse to keep their minions happy and continuing to do their murderous work for them. It's just convenient that the chaos of the Arab Spring left them an opening to attract followers in the Mideast, and so they chose to pervert the major religion in that region for their own purposes.

    Take Islam away from ISIS, and the movement should fall apart by itself.
     
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    Didn't the gullible trash keep telling us how Trump is so different ?
     
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    Really? Calling your fellow Americans trash? That's pretty pathetic. Grow up.
     
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    Oh if people did that in the name of Christ then sure, call them what they are. But....and it's a BIG but... you won't see that happen because Christianity doesn't "roll" like that. Where Islam, ehhhh, I dunno, sure seems like the religion itself is the root cause of the nutjob behavior from some of these animals. I refuse to call them people so yeah, animals.

    Until further notice it's going to be tough to sell the American people on Islam being a peace and loving religion. The data is cloudy on that. When attacks happen you don't see those attacks being condemned that much by other Muslims. Sure, the figure head leaders say how "sorry" they are that it happened but it reeks of being forced out of them as if they don't really mean it. There's this feeling that even though many of them appear to be regular everyday folks that if it came down to it and they were instructed to wage "jihad" then pretty much all of them would happily oblige. There is a "wink wink" feeling you get from them. They play by our rules until the pooh hits the fan or whatever. Sorry but that's just the perception and we know that perception IS reality.

    The perception can only change though actions by Muslims that prove they are truly interested in living under western rules and assimilating into our country. And of course, condemning terrorist acts. We'll see. Until then, nah, ain't buying it. Sorry.
     
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    Who knew that the number one victim of Islamic terrorism are Muslim!? Why didn't anyone ever ask that question? Maybe smart, very smart people should have been looking at this tremendous question!
     
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    Hello? Christianity rolls like that in exactly the same manner Islam does. Get a murderous creep into a position of power, have him make a few speeches saying that God now wants you to kill, and boom! Instant army ready to kill.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

    No harder than selling them on Christianity being a peace and loving religion. Man, both religions are based out of the same philosophical texts -- both the Koran and the Bible have at their core the Jewish texts (known as the "Old Testament" in Christian circles), and the Koran even includes mention of Christ himself.

    The issue in the Mideast is problematic because of (a) the never-ending battle between Sunni and Shiite, and (b) the very recent chaos of the Arab Spring. You don't see Islamic peoples all around the rest of the world acting like ISIS; it's because of the particular situation there that hotheads are trying to use Islam to accomplish their own (very worldly) goals.

    Heh. I guess you want the entire frickin world to assimilate into our country? (And I'm assuming you mean "USA" when you say "our country", there are people from other countries active in this forum.)

    Gotta wonder why so many people around the world see the US as arrogant today. :p
     
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    Did'nt he say if you can't say it, you don't deserve to be POTUS? :rolleyes::oops:
     
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    Update: It does appear that, indeed, Trump used a moderate tone in his speech, and avoided the RIT phrase:

    President Donald Trump, speaking Sunday in Saudi Arabia on his first international trip, took a moderate tone on Islam, speaking of partnerships with Islamic nations in the war against extremism. His remarks avoided the inflammatory remarks against Muslims that had marked much of his presidential campaign.

    The president told his audience in Riyadh: "We are not here to lecture — we are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be, or how to worship. Instead, we are here to offer partnership — based on shared interests and values."​

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/21/trump-islam-terrorism-238643

    EDIT: Confirmation from WaPo:

    Trump fell short of referencing “radical Islamic terrorism” — a term he uses frequently at home and has condemned President Barack Obama for failing to say.​

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6e0451a96fd_story.html?utm_term=.3956cfe7dff7
     
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    It's obvious at this point that you can discount almost everything he has said or will say.

    He also just extended sanctions relief for Iran under the nuclear deal, a deal that he said was the worst deal in history, or maybe that was NAFTA or something else. It's hard to keep up with his superlatives.
     
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    Will this speech enrage his hardcore supporters or will they just shove cotton in their ears and pretend it didn't happen.
     
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    What do you think?
     
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