Trump: America First!

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  1. aaronvan Suspended

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    Of course, putting Americans before the rest of the world has the neocon + Atlanticist foreign policy establishment apoplectic:

    How long before the rest of the field jump on the America First! bandwagon? They ignore it at their peril.
     
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    There's a special place in hell for people like Madeleine Albright.
     
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    I didn't know Trump was planning to legally change his name to "America".
     
  4. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    Did you actually read the story you linked to???

    Because once again, Trump has shown a unique ability to use many words and say nothing, while at the same time making himself look more ignorant than a fifth grader. I mean really, really dumb, a complete lack of diplomacy or foreign affairs.

    This was meant to be his opportunity to show he knew what he was talking about, instead, he showed what we already knew - he's a first rate moron. He has no policy, he has no idea of how the world works, he talks about possibilities and finding out - it is risible and actually scary that someone so ignorant can garner support from so many.

    And what on earth does "America first" actually mean? You already place yourselves above everyone else regardless, so how is this childish plan any different?
     
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    It means Europe will finally pay their fair share.
     
  6. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    And what's Europe's "fair share" and of what?

    BTW, which is the only country to actually invoke NATO?
     
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    Great slogan. Has exactly zero applicability to the actual world. Seems Trump-worthy.
     
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    I'm sure it will appear on hats soon. Hats that will probably be made in Mexico. If only Trump practiced what he preached! Why wasn't America first when he started making his product lines?
     
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    you beat me to it was gonna ask if it was supposed to be trump first America second.
     
  10. thewap, Apr 27, 2016
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    Frankly the article about his speech is crap and very biased, not representing the whole of his foreign policy message.

    The main message was America first - not intervention wars, not nation building, and not surrendering America and Americans to the false song of globalism. It is a speech on changing foreign policy to promote stability, fairness, and rebuilding our relationship with allies, and calls the the policies of Bush, Obama and Hillary as secretary of state as creating chaos in the world.

    It is the first anti neocon,neolib speech any politician has made in a very very long time, to replace chaos with peace.

    If you can't listen to the whole speech, then you really have no place commenting.
    Here is the actual speech by Trump on foreign policy.

     
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    Yeah nothing says rebuilding relationships like setting up protectionist trade policies. Need I remind you that Trump is the only Presidential candidate that has had his ability to enter the U.K. debated on the floor of Parliment? Way to kick off rebuilding things with allies. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...51d87a-ba14-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html
     
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    None of the detractors on this forum will listen. They bought into the "Hillary's Turn" argument over a year ago. Nothing else matters.
     
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    Of Soliders and money to the club that is NATO!
     
  14. thewap, Apr 28, 2016
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    Protectionist trade policies? The TPP that Obama and Clinton / Bush are trying to slide in through the backdoor while no one is watching is trade power in the hands of international corporations that will have legal power over all of the USA's affairs - Global fascism under the cloak of "free trade".

    Not only is it unconstitutional, it is treason.

    The Uk parliament should mind their own biz, and the ones who pulled that stunt might be completely irrelevant soon if Brexit happens.
     
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    How long before you realize that Trump is surrounding himself with neocons?

    http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-pr...rdcore-neocon-tied-notorious-lebanese-militia
     
  16. Meister, Apr 28, 2016
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    Trump is surrounding himself with ruthless gangsters.

    His new campaign manager looks and talks like he just jumped straight out of goodfellas.


    You don't seem to understand what motivates Trump supporters.

    Have no illusions. All politicians in high offices are crooked sociopaths. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.

    We support Trump out of selfdefense.

    You don't fight gangsters with the salvation army.
    You get other gangsters.
     
  17. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Trump supporters are of the "burn it all to the ground" mentality? That explains a lot.....
     
  18. Meister, Apr 28, 2016
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    You can't have change without a proper housecleaning first.

    I honestly think that Trump's intentions are pure.

    But he has no other choice than to do what he has to do.

    The same thing is happening in europe right now.
    People are voting for right wing movements out of sheer selfdefense.

    I agree that all this is a dangerous tactic.

    But what are the alternatives?
     
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    You're advocating some type of purge?
     
  20. Meister, Apr 28, 2016
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    Isn't that obvious?

    What do you think Trump is doing?

    The Trump movement is a democratic and peaceful revolution to replace a washington establishment that is not acting in the interest of the people anymore.
     
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    America* loves its corporate welfare too much to cut military spending.
     
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    You make "the world" sound like a one-world government. Especially when so many individual countries don't know what's going on or are led in various directions. That's why we have the UN, a nice large place for representatives of all countries to go to - and once inside they all squabble for hours.

    McCain didn't know what "Country first" meant, or based on what he's voted on in the past he never really said which country. Here's one example:

    http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2005-63.htm

    Anyone voting NO on that list definitely isn't supporting "America first"... not when giving handouts to companies that offshore jobs, means fewer jobs here to tax for revenue, on top of everything else that's gone wrong. And plenty of people in 2016 still can't figure out how that leads to deficit spending!!

    But maybe he didn't understand what was in the bill or somebody added a nice little rider to make voting "no" even more appealing than just appeasing the lobbyists, and riders only exist to pervert the spirit of the law to begin with...
     
  23. Limey77 macrumors regular

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    Oh you mean like the UK who gives more per head than any other member of NATO.

    Remind me once again, which county is it that is the only one to have invoked NATO and at what costs.
     
  24. aaronvan thread starter Suspended

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    Oh, I believe it. I won't vote for Trump in any case; however, he is (or sounds anyway) far less interested in foreign adventures than Hillary.

    You're 1000% correct.
     
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    It sounds that way, but you can bet your ass he's going to do everything his advisors say is needed to allow business interests to rampage across the world unimpeded as they have been doing for decades. That includes overthrowing governments and installing ones owned and operated by multinationals.
     

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