Trump: American soldiers in Iraq stole cash intended for reconstruction of Iraq

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    WSJ's Ben Kesling: A presidential candidate just accused me and thousands of other troops of embezzlement while in a combat zone.

    CNBC and NYTimes' John Harwood: Trump suggested tonight that American soldiers in Iraq stole cash intended for reconstruction of Iraq, are "living very well" now

     
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    There goes the military vote. Is trump trying to implode?
     
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    Oh it's much worse than that headline suggests. He started out by repeating his whole "should have taken the oil" bit. This whole thing about soldiers stealing from Iraq is then used to JUSTIFY that position. Donald Trump is actually suggesting COLONIALISM as a policy.

    And this is somehow better than warmonger? :rolleyes:
     
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    The Fraud of War
    U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lions_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_center_for.html

    U.S. Army Specialist Stephanie Charboneau sat at the center of a complex trucking network in Forward Operating Base Fenty near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border that distributed daily tens of thousands of gallons of what troops called “liquid gold”: the refined petroleum that fueled the international coalition’s vehicles, planes, and generators.

    A prominent sign in the base read: “The Army Won’t Go If The Fuel Don’t Flow.” But Charboneau, 31, a mother of two from Washington state, felt alienated after a supervisor’s harsh rebuke. Her work was a dreary routine of recording fuel deliveries in a computer and escorting trucks past a gate. But it was soon to take a dark turn into high-value crime.

    She began an affair with a civilian, Jonathan Hightower, who worked for a Pentagon contractor that distributed fuel from Fenty, and one day in March 2010 he told her about “this thing going on” at other U.S. military bases around Afghanistan, she recalled in a recent telephone interview.

    Troops were selling the U.S. military’s fuel to Afghan locals on the side, and pocketing the proceeds. When Hightower suggested they start doing the same, Charboneau said, she agreed.

    In so doing, Charboneau contributed to thefts by U.S. military personnel of at least $15 million worth of fuel since the start of the U.S. war in Afghanistan. And eventually she became one of at least 115 enlisted personnel and military officers convicted since 2005 of committing theft, bribery, and contract-rigging crimes valued at $52 million during their deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a comprehensive tally of court records by the Center for Public Integrity.

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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...lions_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_center_for.html
     
  5. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    No doubt there was plenty of corruption. However if you pay attention to the speech, Trump isn't actually painting this as a BAD thing.
     
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    I haven’t listened to Trump’s speech, I just saw this story earlier on Twitter so posting it. :)
     
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    For the United States (or any other country) to attack another sovereign nation for the purposes of stealing and/or appropriating it natural resources or other assets would be a war crime.

    It actually has a name: Pillage, looting and plunder.

    Its hardly surprising that Donald Trump does not seem to be aware of this fact. Any more than he seems to think that is the way civilized nations conduct their affairs.

    its bad enough that Trump accused members of the US military of engaging in theft on a grand scale; its worse that he suggests our entire country should have done so.
     
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    Please point to any believable resource of exactly what the US stole from Iraq? You guys keep screaming it was all about the oil, but the US has not benefitted from Iraq's oil sales and distribution policies Iraqis have.

    I wish we HAD taken their oil and annexed Iraq, but we don't do that kind of thing since the death of imperialism.
     
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    There isn't one.

    I think you are misunderstanding the point.

    The US Government and military explicitly forbid appropriation of foreign assets and property in the course of military operations. In fact it is one of the bizarre ironies of the Iraq War that the US military ended up paying
    exorbitant prices for fuel from various suppliers in that region.

    The US was so stringent about applying these principles that US companies were specifically not given any preference in the awarding of contracts for rebuilding Iraq's oil industry.

    The international rules of war, as well as the US military's Code of Military Justice both prohibit plunder and looting. Troops who violate those rules have been prosecuted for doing so. I will note that there specific rules that distinguish between military property (weapons, etc.) captured in combat which are allowable war prizes.

    The point at issue here is that Donald Trump does not understand this basic fact of international relations. And that he thinks the United States should conduct its foreign policy on the basis of plunder, looting, and theft.
     
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    Saddam International. One billion dollars in palletized American paper money offloaded from a C-17. Transported to the National Bank of Iraq in an anonymous cement truck because the Baghdad streets were too dangerous. Just one of many money flights. Your tax dollars, BTW.

    Ya think there was corruption?
     
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    Uh yeah, because most of us have evolved beyond such savage ideas.
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    Again, Trump was not painting the corruption as a bad thing.
     
  12. Robisan thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Absolutely. Watch the clip - Trump sounds jealous. Is there any doubt that Trump would've done the same?
     
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    Yeah, we learned from watching the British Empire implode that interventionism is far cheaper and more effective than colonialism.
     
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    Oh, there might be something to it. I mean here we are, watching Trump stumble around on national TV like your casually racist drunk uncle asking if your mom's as good in the sack as she is with money, totally ruining your bar mitzvah, while Hillary's up on stage looking like she's the sane choice by comparison, even though she stops to suck the blood out of a cute little baby puppy between questions.

    ...I'd be surprised if it wasn't true. O_0
     
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    Either way it was the GOP's own primary voters that picked Trump.
     

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