Trump and Obama have some things in common

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  1. thermodynamic Suspended

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    1. Both are said to be outsiders
    2. Both say they hate lobbyists
    3. Both are said to have little experience running government back when they first ran for office

    So why would Trump use lobbyists? Because one has to use the system to get into it before he can change it?
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ts-except-the-ones-running-his-super-pac.html
    Never mind politifact and other fact checking websites that said Obama broke his promise about getting rid of lobbyists, here's a trip: https://www.gop.com/obama-loves-lobbyists/?

    But Trump is not Obama. How will Trump change things for the better, and what happens if he is unable or unwilling to if/when it comes time for him to have to do it? Convince people to vote for him, or your candidate of choice. It's as simple as that.
     
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    No way could The Donald change things for the better (in his view) without lobbyists, so you are right in that Obama and Trump have had that mistaken idea in common.

    Trump, however, judging from his fairly bizarre list of "advisers" so far, would have to start using lobbyists just to persuade some sane people to join his cabinet. He could become the first prez in history to take a hundred days just to round up cabinet secretaries who a) were willing to serve and b) could conceivably get confirmed by the Senate.

    All it takes for those confirmations is a simple majority of the party controlling that body, i.e. the Republican Party to which he has attached himself at least for now. Speaks volumes that he could have a hard time getting those confirmations. Meanwhile he'd have to hang onto the resignations traditionally tendered by cabinet secretaries upon inauguration of a new president, instead of accepting them. What a spectacle. A RINO prez and a cabinet full of lefties. Way to go Donald, the stealth Democrat!
     
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    Chuck Ross, Reporter:

    “Donald Trump employs more women than men at the upper echelons of his real estate empire, and in many cases pays them more, according to the Republican presidential candidate’s attorney.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/17/attorney-trump-companies-employ-more-female-execs-than-male-video/

    “Appearing on “CNN’s New Day” with Chris Cuomo, Michael Cohen, Trump’s general counsel and an executive vice president at Trump Organization, said that while the billionaire’s companies employ 57 percent men and 43 percent women, “there are more female executives at the Trump Organization than there are male.”

    “I can prove it,” Cohen answered, adding later that he would allow Cuomo to take a look at the company’s financials as long as he signed a non-disclosure agreement.

    “For example, in senior accounting, the male is in the $70,000 range and the female is slightly greater than that,” Cohen said. “In the area of even the legal department where the assistant general counsel makes $25,000 more than her male counterpart.”

    "Cohen went on to say that he wants other presidential candidates to open up the books of their campaign to compare how they stack up to how Trump runs his organizations.”
     
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    If we did that, we'd find out Cruz's campaign is run by emotionless high level vampires, Sanders' campaign only consists of one even crankier old man, and Hillary's campaign is run by lawyers who can only survive by eating the hearts of small children who died while lost in the woods.
     
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    OK I'm heading to law school right now, I definitely want to work for Donald. But I want the Democrats to fix the thing with higher education debt before I graduate.

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    'Yer on a roll, Ren. On a roll!
     
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    And Trump's campaign is run mostly by D-List reality TV stars with socially crippling anger management issues.
     
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    Jersey Shore, in a major upset over the chubby governor, is putting it's all on Trump.
     
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    I was thinking more of a gaggle of female Meatloafs, but that works too.
     
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    That's exactly how it is.
     
  11. Robisan macrumors 6502

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    For the Daily Caller? Ahahahaha!

    Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest that Trump makes sure there's plenty of eye candy around for the executives. And yeah, if you had to endure Trump and the people he runs with leering (or worse) at you every day you'd demand higher pay too.
     
  12. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    When anyone first runs for office, it can be said that they have little experience.

    Besides, said by who?

    Barack Obama was an Illinois State Senator for seven years. Then he was sworn into the Senate in 2005, where he:

    ...cosponsored the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. He introduced two initiatives that bore his name: Lugar–Obama, which expanded the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction concept to conventional weapons; and the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, which authorized the establishment of USAspending.gov, a web search engine on federal spending. On June 3, 2008, Senator Obama—along with Senators Tom Carper, Tom Coburn, and John McCain—introduced follow-up legislation: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008.

    Obama sponsored legislation that would have required nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks, but the bill failed to pass in the full Senate after being heavily modified in committee. Regarding tort reform, Obama voted for the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 and the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which grants immunity from civil liability to telecommunications companies complicit with NSA warrantless wiretapping operations.

    In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act, marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor. In January 2007, Obama and Senator Feingold introduced a corporate jet provision to the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which was signed into law in September 2007. Obama also introduced two unsuccessful bills: the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, and the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007.

    Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act to add safeguards for personality-disorder military discharges. This amendment passed the full Senate in the spring of 2008. He sponsored the Iran Sanctions Enabling Act supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, which has not passed committee; and co-sponsored legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program, providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.

    Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian National Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he condemned corruption within the Kenyan government.
    He also:

    …held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian National Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi in which he condemned corruption within the Kenyan government




    So, please remind us again, exactly how much experience does Donald Trump have of government?​
     
  13. FieldingMellish, Mar 26, 2016
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    Obama had to have done something for that time period. You hold his resume up as though it's a miracle.

    People also need to know about Obama's non-resume items, such as alliances with bad actors and unseemly real estate deals.

    Names such as Rod Blagojevich and Tony Rezko come to mind.
     
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    Try to focus on the 2016 elections. The ones of 2008 and 2012 have taken place already. See there are untoward consequences when the House gets in a loop and repeals legislation 57 times without getting the bill to the Senate. Something bad happens to one's internal clock.

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  15. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    I hold it up as a factual response in response to a clearly inaccurate statement. By the time Barack Obama was sworn in as the 44th president, he'd held over a decade of experience in public office in one form or another. Donald Trump has exactly none.

    Only a conservative would respond to a factual statement by calling it a 'miracle'.



    The American people examined your arguments in two presidential elections and found your arguments inconsequential.

    2008 called and wants its lazy hackish smears back. Still waiting for the Whitey Tape, I presume.
     
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    To your last statement, call it half the American people, besides exposing your bitter racism. To your first statement, why didn't Obama's seriously intense experience prevent him from ignoring the ISIS threat in its nascent state? Or how come Obama's experience didn't prevent the administration from laying the groundwork for an international migrant crisis?
     

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