Trump and Russia

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  1. Huntn, Nov 7, 2017
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    Huntn macrumors demi-god

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    Remember these fateful words from President Trump: I don’t know any Russians.

    Bookmark this to stay abreast of the relationships Trump and his Administration don’t want you to know or think about:
    Here’s what we know so far about Team Trump’s ties to Russian interests (updated Oct 2017) https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/trump-russia/?utm_term=.6dc357822c84
    Look at the first graphic and all the lines that run from the Trump Administration to Russians.

    Oct. 30, 2017 | Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates turn themselves in on charges connected to the special counsel’s investigation into Russian election interference. They are charged in a 12-count indictment with conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money and making false statements. It marks the first criminal allegations to come from the investigation. The special counsel also revealed that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos had pleaded guilty to making a false statement in a federal investigation. Read full story

    All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 Charts (from April 2017)
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...ies-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

    Russia: Trump and his Team’s Ties
    https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-trump-his-administration-s-ties

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    Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump
    http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/


    We may finally have a quid pro quo (speculated, not proven) with Carter Paige’s testimony before Congress yesterday.
    Carter Page reveals new contacts with Trump campaign, Russians
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/carter-page-testimony-released/index.html

    The link between the campaign wanting dirt on Hillary and deciding to water down the Congress’s Ukraine Amendment. His testimony also indicates that Jeff Session is a liar when he testified before Congress he knew of no Russian contacts although there’s an email showing he knew about Paige’s trip to Russia.

    The Trump administration is up to its neck in Russians
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ussia-wilbur-ross-kushner-20171106-story.html

    The number of Russian connections to President Donald Trump's campaign and to his administration should stun and worry even the most credulous Republicans. We have never seen such a multiplicity of connections to a hostile foreign power and lack of transparency in a presidential campaign or administration — nor have we ever had a campaign in which Russians interfered in such a widespread and deliberate manner.

    Newly leaked international documents reveal even more of the Trump team's Russian ties, according to NBC News: "Through offshore investments, [Commerce Secretary Wilbur] Ross held a stake in Navigator Holdings, which had a close relationship with the Russian firm. Ross did not disclose that connection during his confirmation process on Capitol Hill." NBC's report also states:

    "Top White House adviser Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, is also implicated. The documents reveal that Kremlin-connected interests invested in social media giants Facebook and Twitter through one of Kushner's business associates. Russian tech leader Yuri Milner, who funneled the money to Facebook and Twitter, has a stake in a company partly owned by Kushner."
     
  2. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 603

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    You forgot one important connection... :D

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    And in a more serious tone: All of these guys are awfully rich business men, so they of course have russian ties somewhere in their empires, but that doesn't mean they did anything politically wrong - Just that they were trying to get even richer. I still think we are waiting for the smoking gun (Or smelly pee, however you might look at it...).
     
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    The Congressman who has that chart on his web page forgot it. :p Looking forward to it’s publication. Nice job! :)
     
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    They lied when they said the Russia trip wasn’t tied to the campaign.
     
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    Love watching the left stumble over themselves with their Benghazi. Satisfying, really.
     
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    The difference is if the Russia investigations don’t turn up anything more most people on the left will be happy with the result, and won’t push to wast taxpayer dollars with 12 more investigations like the rift did with Benghazi.

    By the way how many people were indicted over Benghazi?
     
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    Sorry, but are you seeing anyone stumble? I'm seeing a two-lane paved highway of Trump connections to Russia. Very smooth.
     
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    How is it "stumbling" when actual indictments and guilty pleas are involved??? Sounds like success to me. What are you missing?
     
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    I don't see how business ties is in any way related to their campaign. Yes, they might have done russian business deals at the same time, but that doesn't necessarily reflect anything political directly. I don't think it is a secret that these guys guide their politics to earn more money even though they don't need it, but that doesn't mean secret pro-Russian pee-pee-Putin governmental agendas.

    If it turns out that they actively sought help from the Russian government to have the meddle in Hillarys campagin, then yes, then we have it, but so far I don't see the connection. It should be quite obvious for anyone that Putin would MUCH prefer to have Snowflake rather than Hillary at the opposite side of any discussion table, so the well documented Russian meddling doesn't mean that Snowflake or his minions had anything to do with it. They just liked the outcome of course.
     
  10. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

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    Trump seems to have his own Benghazi.

    Exactly!!! Including the Email scandal.
     
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    And yet this investigation has turned up more dirt and produced more indictments then Benghazi ever did. But hey, it's not like Trump supporters ever cared about facts.
     
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    We already have proof in the Don Jr. and Pap emails that the Trump campaign sought help from Russia. What we haven't seen proof of yet is if they were successful or not. There's no doubt that the Trump campaign tried to collude with Russia, it's right there in plain English. Now, that doesn't mean they broke laws or we can prove they broke laws, but they definitely did try to collude, and multiple campaign representatives (including the President) lied about their actions.
     
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    Big business in Russia is linked to Putin, so yeah, any big project that you try to undertake there is going to involve politics. And to be pursuing a deal while running for office is just deplorable. I guess he was hedging his bets should he lose, but still deplorable to not inform the american people of such an effort.
     
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    Remember guys, all Russians are evil unless it's Obama/Hillary dumping uranium in their pockets.
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    Clinton Foundation *cough*
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    Actually a volunteer appeared to have attempted to setup a meeting through "a Russian" and was rebuked. And Don Jr. met "a Russian" as well. They didn't meet with the country at all.
     
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    Usual weak deflection. You find it absolutely impossible to stay on a topic about Trump without mentioning Hillary don't you? As Trump would say.....sad.
     
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    I mean, basically Trump should be in prison.
     
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    As I said in another thread - if one thinks there is no connection between rich and powerful business people in Russia and their government, I have a bridge to sell you. As if the US is the only country whose legislation is influenced by deep pockets.
     
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    Sadly, it’s no laughing matter.
     
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    Oh really? So why isn’t he in prison then?
     
  21. Huntn thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    This is a fantastic link. Thanks! Added to the OP. Now we can ask ourselves how this excuse for a human being got elected?
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    Maybe you should wait for the final shoe to drop before you express satisfaction. The repeated GOP Benghazi investigations went nowhere. This one is not over, inditements are being handed out, and it’s still the first investigation.
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    What is interesting is thar there was a time, like one election ago, when colluding with Russians would be a death knell of any political candidate. The sad ironic fact is that the GOP leadership hated Donnie from the start. So we have some portion of our savvy astute citizens to thank for Supreme Leader. :oops:

    Speaking of collusion found this:

    Collusion is not a crime by itself. Here are the charges Mueller could be exploring.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...mueller-potential-charges-20171031-story.html

    Excerpts:
    Collusion — the word Trump often uses to describe Mueller's case, even as he asserts such a thing never happened — is not itself a crime, and Mueller's team will likely have to sort through unseemly political dealings to determine if a law was broken, legal analysts say. In his first public charges, though, Mueller offered a hint of the direction he might take.

    Former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, for example, pleaded guilty to making a false statement to FBI investigators who asked about his contacts with foreigners claiming to have high-level Russian connections.

    Papadopoulos claimed his interactions with the professor — thought to be Joseph Mifsud, the director of the London Academy of Diplomacy — occurred before he joined the campaign and did not amount to much. In fact, the professor told him about the emails in April 2016 — after his role on the campaign was made public — and the two were involved in extensive discussions about a possible meeting between Trump campaign and Russian officials, according to Papadopoulos' plea agreement.

    The conversation about emails is possibly a critical piece of evidence, legal analysts said. That is because one charge that investigators might try to substantiate against those higher in the Trump campaign is a conspiracy to violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

    Collusion is not a crime, but basically the criminal equivalent is conspiracy," said former federal prosecutor Randall Eliason. "You could have a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. by interfering with our election."
     
  22. Huntn thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    Check with me in a year. :rolleyes:

    Inditements are being issued to Trump campaign people. Does that not register? Btw, the yardstick won’t be Trump in jail (although eventually that might be possible), it will be how many on Team Trump go down and better yet if Trump impeached and removed from office.

    But I am a realist and impeachment is not certain at all, because of the political climate we live in. Many politicians do what is perceived to benefit them, not what is legally and morally right. For now, let’s see how many members of Team Trump are indicted and convicted. Maybe later we can debate why our standards in reputable leaders have plummeted. :oops:
     
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    Dana is being investigated now. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
     

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