Trump Attacks Dems on Healthcare - Still Working on His Beautiful Plan

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Who among his supporters believes this garbage? Healthcare was his platform since 2015(?) and yet what does he have to show for it? Mitch says there's no plan to bring up. Further, Democrats are the ones that are cutting the budgets and raiding medicare?

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  2. raqball macrumors 68000

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    I am not his base nor do I consider myself a supporter but I did vote for him.. With that out of the way, I do agree that the single payer wacky socialist ideas are terrible... I also don't think (R) have a clue about how to fix the problem either...

    At this point in the mess the American people would probably be better off if they just tried to fix the problems with Obamacare....
     
  3. appleisking macrumors 6502a

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    I support a single payer solution but I think we can all agree that our current system is a mess and isn’t working.
     
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    Are you fooled yet? Here, have a slurp. :oops:

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    I just have not thought of it yet, but re-elect me
    in 2020 and I’ll show it to you. It’s really great!
     
  5. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    Are you happy with Obamacare ?
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    No matter which way we decide to go, I think we need Tort reform first before anything will work.
     
  6. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Irrelevant question.
     
  7. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    Not really.

    If people are happy with Obamacare, there is no need to look for a replacement.

    If people are unhappy, both Democrats and Republicans should be looking to replacing it.
     
  8. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    Fair enough. I have no problem with it personally and I know many more that benefit from it than are hurt by it. No system is going to be perfect. Overall, health care needs a lot of help.
     
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    I do love the line "Raiding Medicare to fund Socialism".
     
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    We have far too much corruption to try single payer
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    Obama sold out the citizens to the insurance industry, trump try to regulate in the pharmaceutical industry so we could get cheaper medicine . yes there’s a difference between the two
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    The ONLY beef I had with obamare care was the mandate. We do need a lot of help
     
  11. sean000 macrumors 68000

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    Happiness is relative, so the question is kind of a nonstarter without an alternative to compare against.

    Any proposal to repeal before a replacement is available means millions lose their healthcare, and millions more lose coverage for pre-existing conditions. The annual out of pocket expenses for many would go up as well. The current Affordable Care Act was too much of a comprise to fully satisfy anyone, but it’s better than nothing. For Democrats the upgrade would be to eliminate the for profit health insurance industry by going single payer. Republican proposals will favor the for-profit status quo.

    I’m a fan of single payer, but I would also be open to a compromise that would heavily regulate the free market so consumers can actually comparison shop for insurance and treatment prices that are transparent and competitive. I feel strongly that health insurance should not be provided by employers, and I say that as someone who has a decent employer provided plan. I just don’t know if the free market, even with regulations and subsidies, can provide affordable healthcare at this point. It has turned into such a racket that I just can’t see how the major profiteers will be willing to give up their riches unless they are busted up by leadership that finally applies antitrust laws to root out the corruption.
     
  12. mixel macrumors 68000

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    Medicare for all (or similar) makes sense and countries with an NHS equivalent generally love theirs. People arguing to spend more money for no better care, causing less advantaged people not to get treatment at all... (see all the people with chronic health problems skimping on meds that are too expensive.) Bizarre.

    It's insane as an outsider. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

    I have Crohn's disease. If my access to treatment was in any way tied to my employment situation I'd be screwed. Countless people with countless health concerns get left by the wayside without a strong nationalised health system. Weirdest "I got mine" culture - empathy? Sheesh. People don't choose to get ill. People don't choose to have accidents. People don't choose to be poor. Look out for one another.
     
  13. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    The UK has Tort reform while the US has people litigating against health providers to make money (i.e. come to the US if you want to successfully sue health providers for ridiculous sums of money).

    As far as drug prices, the people in the US are subsiding the drug cost for the UK and the rest of the world. That is because the drug prices charged by the drug companies is much higher in the US then elsewhere for the same drugs. There have been proposals to force the drug companies to charge the same price in the US as elsewhere. The drugs would probably become more expensive for people in the UK and elsewhere.

    It's a myth that less advantaged people do not get treatment in the US.
     
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    I agree that Americans pay much more for the same drugs when compared to other countries, but I’m not sure it’s as simple as “we pay more so others can pay less.” The pharmaceutical companies, pharmacies, insurance companies, etc. will charge whatever they can get away with in a given market. Americans pay more because of the racket that has been allowed to thrive in the United States. A lot of people are making a lot of money off of a corrupt and broken healthcare system. Fixing that here doesn’t necessarily mean prices go up in your country. There is no reason why these same companies wouldn’t be gunning for profits wherever they can, but they just have an advantage when it comes to the United States. Our entire healthcare system up until the ACA has evolved to maximize profits.

    It’s not a myth at all. I’m middle class and I have turned down or put off both doctor visits and pharmaceuticals because I did not want the expense at the time. In my case these decisions were for minor and/or temporary issues I decided to wait out. Other people skip treatment for more serious health issues. This is especially true in January, when annual deductibles have yet to be met. When you have to pay hundreds of dollars to meet your prescription deductible, you might just decide you can skip a month or two of your meds in order to spread out the cost. Fortunately we can afford the essentials. My son has asthma and a life threatening peanut allergy. His inhaler refills each January cost $200, and $60 a month after that. His epipens have to be renewed each year: one set for home and one for school. Those cost hundreds apiece, but coupons and insurance bring them below $100. We just have to navigate a bizarre game of coupons, phone apps, and going to the big pharmacy chain to fill it (it would cost hundreds at our regular pharmacy). At least we can afford it, but the last round of renewals required hours of phone calls to pharmacies and insurance to make a reasonable deal (the manufacturer wouldn’t give us a discount until we proved our insurance wouldn’t pay for it). There are many children in the United States who suffer from untreated asthma and risk life threatening allergies because their parents simply can’t afford treatment and life-saving medicine, and don’t know how to navigate the system.

    It gets worse for uninsured and underinsured Americans. Yes they can seek care through emergency room visits, but many don’t because even that can lead to high costs. Even middle class Americans avoid calling for an ambulance because they fear what it will cost them out of pocket. That’s why heart attack patients drive themselves to the emergency room.

    So it’s not a myth. Even reasonably advantaged Americans go without treatment sometimes, because you never know what it might cost you until you get the bill. Less advantaged may go completely without unless they are taken to the E.R. against their will.
     
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    I’d have to ignore a lot of first hand anecdotal evidence to consider it a myth.

    The fact that gofundme has become largely a healthcare funding platform for US residents who can’t get care by other means should be a massive red flag.
     
  17. VictorTango777, Apr 15, 2019
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    But I thought that according to Republicans, Medicare is socialism therefore they oppose it.


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    Wasn't it the Republicans that blocked the government from negotiating drug prices for Medicare?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html

    And now Republicans are asking drug company CEOs to not cooperate with congressional investigations into drug pricing:

     
  18. TheFluffyDuck macrumors 6502

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    Oh republicans, still cant tell the difference between public-services and socialism. I have been through the US healthcare system, the UK healthcare system, the NZ healthcare system and the Australian healthcare system.

    *Drumroll*

    Americas is the worst by far, and none of those other countries are socialist. The US system is bad BECAUSE it's a user pay system. As for Obamacare, only Americans can think that forcing people to buy a private companies service is socialism. That is crony capitalism at its finest.
     
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    He literally said that he will raise from the dead and doesn't need healthcare? What the hell?
     
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    I'd say we need to run a test on that!!
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    That beachfront property of mine is still for sale....
     
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    As long as you pay in cash, why should I care?
     
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    the guy who did more to lower drug prices than the community organizer who sold Americans to the HC industry.....
     
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    Trump does illegal drug too?
     

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