Trump authorizes Military to shoot at migrants who throw rocks

linuxcooldude

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Again... the military are only allowed to participate for logistical support. The military firing on people at the border would be illegal. Just like all of 45's proposals this week designed to keep immigration in the news to influence the election.

To be clear, 45 is deploying military troops for purely political reasons. He is threatening to shoot people at the border for purely political reasons.
In self defense situations I think that would be allowed.
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Oh don't be so hard on yourself. Especially since the conclusion reached isn't based on politics, but in reading your statements. I am sure plenty of conservatives would find the same semantic argument valid. But by all means - stoke THAT fire.
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Also - these troops will be there over the holidays. Missing time with family. Why? The caravan is thousands of miles away. This is deflection away from the fact that Trump has failed miserably on his healthcare promise (among others) and needs a new "enemy" before mid terms. Poor and undernourished migrants seems valid... :rolleyes:
Missing holidays, birthdays and births are part of the job. I missed many of them on 6-8 month deployments.
 

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In self defense situations I think that would be allowed.
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Missing holidays, birthdays and births are part of the job. I missed many of them on 6-8 month deployments.
And if it were over stupidity like this, I think it's shameful for you to have had to. Part of the job doesn't excuse the stupidity of it.
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You want our military and LE to retreat if they are attacked on our border? Wow!
Retreat? Baldimac never said retreat.
 

linuxcooldude

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What kind of self defense situation are you talking about that couldn't be resolved by taking a few steps backwards? There is no reason for the military to be within rock throwing range of the border.
It all depends on the circumstances involved.
 

raqball

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Retreat? Baldimac never said retreat.
What do you consider a few steps back to be? After those few steps and they advance and keep trowing, then what a few more steps back? Rinse, lather, repeat.. Eventually these few steps at a time end up being what exactly?

Stand ground and use the force needed to stop whatever it is they are doing. If it's firepower, so be it!
 
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raqball

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Please stop making up stuff to argue with. LEO's are legally allowed to engage in law enforcement activities at the border. The military are not. It's pretty simple once you drop the rhetoric.
Really? I suggest to learn a bit more 1st.. The military is being sent in a support role IF they are attacked they have every right to respond. If you do not know that, then educate yourself please.....
 

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What do you consider a few steps back to be? After those few steps and they advance and keep trowing, then what a few more steps back? Rinse, lather, repeat.. Eventually these few steps at a time end up being what exactly?

Stand ground and use the force needed to stop whatever it is they are doing. If it's firepower, so be it!
You’re missing the larger point, which is that the military isn’t supposed to be there in the first place.

What ever happened to “extreme vetting”? Wasn’t that the plan? To aggressively determine who should come here using Homeland Security? Now we’re resorting to using troops to fire into crowds of migrants?

Sad.
 

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Really? I suggest to learn a bit more 1st.. The military is being sent in a support role IF they are attacked they have every right to respond. If you do not know that, then educate yourself please.....
I'm well educated, thanks. I am certain the military is capable of avoiding rocks without resorting to lethal force and allowing border patrol to do their job.
 

raqball

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You’re missing the larger point, which is that the military isn’t supposed to be there in the first place.

What ever happened to “extreme vetting”? Wasn’t that the plan? To aggressively determine who should come here using Homeland Security? Now we’re resorting to using troops to fire into crowds of migrants?

Sad.
I am missing nothing but am noticing the TDS.. Obama sent troops yet I see no difference here other than the left hyperventilating reaction to it...

Sad
 

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Really? I suggest to learn a bit more 1st.. The military is being sent in a support role IF they are attacked they have every right to respond. If you do not know that, then educate yourself please.....
The only way that the military would be attacked is if someone in command decided to have them stand around at the border as potential targets after the so-called caravan arrived.
 

BaldiMac

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I am missing nothing but am noticing the TDS.. Obama sent troops yet I see no difference here other than the left hyperventilating reaction to it...

Sad
Bush and Obama sent troops. But you see no difference only because you choose not too see any difference. Both sent the national guard as temporary logistical support while border patrol staff were being increased.

They didn't send them as a political tool to influence the election.
 

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This is one thing that Trump does well - he manipulates the discussion. He throws out some provocative nonsense just to appeal to his ever more deplorable base and we all spend time debating and denouncing it. Then he jumps on that to show how the media are the enemy of the people and the "Dems" are for open borders because they don't go along with his latest proclamation. I don't recall any previous president being so intentionally divisive.
 

raqball

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Because Trump.
And icky brown people, and racist and xenophobe and ..........

I do get a kick out of the liberal response though. It's a blast to read, watch and be entertained....

Storm the border? Be stoped by all means necessary.
Attack troops or LE? Use whatever force is needed to cease the attack, firepower included!
Walk up and calmly seek entry or asylum? Cool, follow the process...
 

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Bush and Obama sent troops. But you see no difference only because you choose not too see any difference. Both sent the national guard as temporary logistical support while border patrol staff were being increased.

They didn't send them as a political tool to influence the election.
And they sure as hell didn’t send them to fire on civilians.

But like @raqball says, “Muh Obama did it too!!” Because Trump’s presidency has been built on the example that Obama set for him. :rolleyes:
 

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The only thing entertaining in this is watching Trump play a game to see just how low his base can be dragged down into absurdity. Looks like it’s quite a way... Where is that 10% tax cut that was going happen before the midterms?
 
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The only way that the military would be attacked is if someone in command decided to have them stand around at the border as potential targets after the so-called caravan arrived.
Not only is it a pretty weak argument, its also a pretty weak reason why immigrants should start attacking them.
 
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BeeGood

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Oh you mean the deporter in chief Obama? Where was the liberal outrage? Obama hated Icky brown people was a racist and an xenophobe!
If Obama was so great at shipping illegals away, why do Trump and his groupies always attack him over his immigration record?

How about you just pick one false narrative and try sticking to that?
 
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