Trump blames the Dems for not getting the vote

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Mr. Trump, in a telephone interview moments after the bill was pulled, blamed Democrats and predicted that they would seek a deal within a year, he asserted, after “Obamacare explodes” because of high premiums.

    He expressed weariness with the fight.

    “The best thing that could happen is exactly what happened — watch,” he said. “It’s enough already.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/24/us/politics/health-care-affordable-care-act.html

    So we learn two things. 1) Trump still talks to the NYT and 2) He doesn't seem to understand that the Dems didn't lose the vote for him. The Republican party voted against him. And he (and Ryan) should stop and consider why.
     
  2. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    poor little woo woo finds out politics takes some effort.
     
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    Not only does he still talk to the Times, but he called the WaPo first to announce he'd pulled the bill.

    I'm sure the Dems are happy to take the blame for this one. The fact that Trump believes it suggests that all his bills will follow suit.
     
  4. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    It's quite a blow for the Republicans, who despite gaining control of both houses of Congress and the White House still can't govern, and it shows that Trump's bully pulpit doesn't have enough juice to push Congressional Republicans into a deal.

    Democrats meanwhile got their first win with insurgency politics.
     
  5. shinji macrumors 65816

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    Typical of the GOP to blame a minority for their problems :p
     
  6. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Best thing that could happen for Republicans, you don't want to touch this mess called Obamacare until it implodes and you have to. Being the rescue team is much better in this case, and that way the Dems can't just dump it in the Republicans lap and walk away.

    We'll see how great Obamacare is over the next 2 years without the government actively plugging the holes.
     
  7. BeeGood macrumors 68000

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    This all could be true, but the GOP shouldn't have pranced around pretending like they had a better, more workable plan.

    And there's no guarantee that they'll have a workable plan when then ACA caves in on itself either.
     
  8. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Politics over patriotism in action.

    The right thing to do is actually fix Obamacare with new bi-partisan legislation so that millions of people retain their insurance and the health care market can thrive.

    Really, if Republicans do nothing, they're still responsible for allowing the market to crash. And, while they may be able to just say "Obama did it" they'll also have to answer why they couldn't take the wheel despite being in the front seats.
     
  9. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    And then they can point to the Dems who did 0 to help fix their **** law.
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    There is no workable solution as long as they allow lobbyists to decide healthcare. Single payer is the only viable option if you don't want people dieing in the streets, and even that is fairly strained in most countries.
     
  10. JayMysterio, Mar 24, 2017
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    This wasn't a fix. This was politics, cruelty, and tax breaks for the rich.

    They can point at the dems all they want. The dems can point back and ask where was the bi partisan plan? Got one NOW?!

    Besides, come on... It's kind of hilarious to point at the democrats when you have enough votes and the president to fix a supposed **** law and can't. Sorry, only one ( R ) side is getting laughed at and taking the L on this one.
     
  11. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    It doesn't matter, in the next few years when it implodes it will still have the name Obamacare vs. Trumpcare, that's a political win and no one will remember this.
     
  12. Solomani macrumors 68030

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    Yep. It's actually quite elucidating that Trump continues to believe that the Dems are his only political detractors. In that way, the Anti-Trump Republicans (e.g. McCain, Rand Paul, many others) will be even more emboldened to continue sabotaging POTUS because they can get away with it.

    It's like Trump is literally allowing the GOP to fragment and implode from within…. and just ignoring it.
     
  13. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    The fact that you are looking at it like it's 'a political win' is the problem.

    We are talking about lives, not politics.

    For all the failings of ACA ( now that's it liked by so many on the right it's hilarious to still call it Obamacare ) at least it was an attempt to bring health care to more Americans. Remember before this, the Repubs didn't really give a crap if you had insurance or not, that was your problem. They had no problem with the way things were. They only care now because it's something to run against and raise money from.
     
  14. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Right.

    As someone pointed out, the AHCA was so incompetently-written and obviously evil that it was designed to fail. The GOP doesn't want to fix Obamacare because they hope the law will fail, millions of people will lose their insurance and hundreds will die, so that they can usher in whatever they want later.

    I think that person is wrong because Ryan and the rest have the tactical aptitude of a drunk mongoose, but it still might work.

    Largely because it plays on the short-term memory of the American people.

    But, it's still the wrong thing even if it wins.

    The right thing to do is fix the problems in Obamacare. But, stupid and evil is the GOP's new mantra.
     
  15. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    Incorrect. Best thing that could happen for Democrats. The GOP has now been shown as a party that cannot govern. It makes Trump look even more foolish than he already did since "the closer" couldn't close a deal. And couldn't make a deal with a politician, which by his own words means he is not very good. And it's shown that when Democrats play the GOP game of just saying no, things can go their way.

    This sets the stage going forward. A few more failures and watch what happens in the midterms and watch Trump be a one term president. As for letting Obamacare fail, sure you could do that. But let's say your house is on fire and the new fire chief tells you that it is too hard or complicated to put it out and he just wants to move on to other things and let your house burn down to the ground. Are you going to be okay with that response? No? Well I don't think the Republican base will be either. See ya in the mid terms guys!
     
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    Bringing healthcare to more Americans by feeding them to the insurance wolves that fund their campaigns. Brilliant.
     
  17. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Yah, although... it was also big for the Koch Brothers. Money talks to that hard right caucus.
     
  18. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    The very first piece of legislation on Trump's watch failing and you think no one will remember? Please.
     
  19. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Right. Trump put out a clarion call from the bully pulpit, and a wing of Republican reps went "pfffttt."

    Democrats in Congress should feel comfortable putting sticks in the GOP's bicycle wheels for the next two years.
     
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    And the fix to that is?

    Seeing as how single payer health care has been vilified by the right, what practical & realistic solution do you offer?
     
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    Single payer or government competition to ease in. The bargaining power of 300 million people, imagine that.
     
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    Republicans are nothing more than a bunch of obstructionists. They believe that the government is the cause of every problem. With that sort of mindset, how in the hell can you believe that they're going to solve any problem. Their only interest is in dismantling the government, not providing any solutions.
     
  23. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    Rescue team? With a boat full of holes and life vests crumbling to dust and world War 1 rations?
     
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    Don't look this up, what was Obama's first piece of legislation?
     
  25. JayMysterio macrumors 6502

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    I said practical. The right has declared that single pay is socialism and should be hated like they once hated Russia. The other suggestion was loudly decried by people on the right in these very forums 'because government has no place in healthcare'. Which is why we end up badly trying to thread a needle with hemp rope, with the ACA.
     

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