Trump called the 2012 election a "sham" and a "travesty"

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  1. Rogifan Suspended

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    Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...

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    Sounds exactly like what he attacked John Lewis for. Hypocrite of the highest order.

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  3. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Trump has shown himself to be a hypocrite daily :)
     
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    Daily, try hourly.
     
  5. Dagless macrumors Core

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    Read an excellent little quote recently
    "Trump is only as invincible as a dead horse is"
     
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    Which probably explains why he made it to Washington.
     
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    completely agree
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    if you guys want to act just like trump, then by all means have at it :D
     
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    No I'm a conservative who hates that conservatives (or republicans at least) are acting like liberals now. Anything Trump does is OK because the media are hypocrites and didn't call out democrats for doing the same thing. They might be right about the media but that doesn't give Trump a free pass.
     
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    That begs the question....if Republicans in congress go with Trump on basically democratic policies, what will the Republican electorate do next election? Will they just roll over too, or will they start making congress pay a price for that?
     
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    It's the natural cycle of politics.

    If it flips to Dems in power, it will be exactly the same thing.
    Simply change the party names (and the person talking), and you can reuse the same news article over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ad nauseam.

    We are sick of it, a reason why Congress has low ratings.
     
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    AS PRACTICAL pointed out, it's just the nature of American politics, democrats didn't call out obama for acting like a republican war monger, hell they thought that neocons supporting Hillary was a good thing

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    I'm a center-left guy who hates that Republicans (and, I'm sad to say, more frequently Democrats as well) aren't acting as either conservatives or liberals. They are becoming pure authoritarians seeking only power for themselves.

    Our system is built in such a way that you need to acquire power in order to accomplish anything. But, of late, the Republicans have been acquiring power explicitly to not accomplish anything. In the past, politicians may have only pay lip service to their party's platform; today, we have a candidate who explicitly stated that he doesn't give a crap about the party platform, and won't be held to it. Sure, that excites a lot of people disgusted with politics; but it doesn't do anything to bring new people in to politics. It just serves to burn down the existing order.

    We're slowly sinking towards anarchy here. The major parties don't seem to enjoy governing any more (the Republicans explicitly so). Authoritarians (like Trump) arrive and say that only they, a single man with all the solutions, can provide relief. This is how countries meet their end...
     
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    Well to be fair…. his bizarro bat-shiite-crazy Tweets only appear around 4am in the morning.
     
  14. oneMadRssn macrumors 68040

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    This is such BS. Liberals accept the results of the election just fine. It is you who won't accept that there is a difference between demanding changes to presidential elections to reform or get rid of electoral college so this travesty never happens again, and complaining about this recent election itself. The liberals are doing the former, which is future-looking. The liberals are not doing the latter, which is past-looking.

    Trump is president. All serious liberals agree. Bill Maher agrees. He won the "election" as defined in the constitution today. There is no debate as to this.

    He did not win the most votes though. So he is, by definition of the word, not a democratically elected president.

    It is not hypocritical to demand electoral college be reformed, or eliminated.
     
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    yeah, all the protest before he won and after he won are meaningless .
     
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    What were they protesting after he won? Do you even know?
     
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    don't care as it doesn't change the fact they were protesting my friend.
     
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    So you just don't like protesting. Again showing your first post here was total BS.
     
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    So in other words, just an average ordinary day. :D
     
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    We're not a democracy; we're a republic. Wish you'd get that right.

    Our government is based on a "mixture of state-based and population-based government. Congress would have two houses: the state-based Senate and the population-based House of Representatives. Meanwhile, the president would be elected by a mixture of the two modes."
     
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    There are many things I don’t like about Bill, but in his defense he pretty much spent the last month of his show before the election drinking and smoking himself into a tizzy over the real possibility that Trump could win and blaming it on the apathy and arrogance of democrats.

    On the other hand he also thought Hillary was a slightly flawed saint with a PR problem. Just reminding myself why I don’t like him again.
     
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    Who is 'we'? Aren't you in Germany?

    How can you notsee that we are a democracy?
     
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    Nein.

    Because a true democracy isn't possible, given human nature. Add it to the other political forms that also can't work because humans aren't ants: communism, socialism, libertarianism, etc.

    Our republic makes the best of it by combining representative and true democracy to give us a pretty fair result.
     
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    Interestingly, republic is never defined.
     
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    It's defined by the Constitution, you know.
     

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