Trump Comes Out Against Freedom of Religion

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  1. CaptMurdock macrumors 6502a

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    At a speech he gave in Baltimore:

    “We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag,” he said Monday at a speech to the National Guard Association in Baltimore.
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    Trump’s “under one God” line may sound like boilerplate presidential campaign rhetoric, even if it is a bit, um, Hitlerian. (The Nazi Party slogan was “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!” ― or, “One people, one empire, one leader!”)
    A bit Hitlerian?? What does he need now, the little Chaplin mustache?
     
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    This author illustrates why American politics are shiet. Taking a common phrase someone said and making the politician on the other side who uttered it the equivalent of Hitler. ​
     
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Sorry Trump. I don't believe in either God or saluting the flag.

    I'm a bad Amerikan.
     
  4. thermodynamic, Sep 13, 2016
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    You may as well say the same thing about those who say "Under God".

    Or those who say "one people, one tribe" - numerous liberal media songs sing about that future as well, just with an optimistic twist instead of the pessimistic one using the same words that you share. So are you against the words or the context?

    Also, look up the forefathers' meaning of religious freedom - I bet you real money it had more to do with "Protestant vs Catholic" than "Christianity vs Jewish vs Muslim vs the Roman Gods that they stole from the Greek". One can however infer or imply the forefathers meant every conceived religion from their past, their present, or their future.
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    The difference is, you're not a rich and entitled person who makes a living by catching a ball and running around with it, all while thinking you're oppressed despite clearly being rich and entitled for such a simple career choice. If oppression was as bad as claimed, they wouldn't be there, much less rich, much less anything. They pretend nothing has changed since the days of Jackie Robinson, which is clearly not the case.

    But here's a question nobody is asking: What sort of country would have all people therein of all colors and creeds be proud to sing such an anthem? Will people want to work together to create a new shiny happy country in moving forward or is everyone content to play this current game that solves nothing, resolves less, only only continues an empty and divisiveness-generating spiral?
     
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    For example?

    So you're saying the Founders only meant religious freedom if you happen to be Christian. Jewish, Muslim, Roman god worshippers, atheists, agnostics, pagans, Buddhists and Hindus need not apply. Got it.

    What does this have to do with anything?
     
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    Americans have always been Nazis./sarcasm

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  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I'm not sure what current game you think I'm playing. (and I understand you weren't necessarily aiming that statement at me)

    But I've always had a job (and am a valued and respected worker), never taken a dime of welfare or unemployment, own a home, married one time (19 years), never arrested (my last moving violation was over 25 years ago), pay my taxes, have a retirement plan, and I vote.

    I thought that was the game I'm supposed to be playing. I thought I was fulfilling my social obligation ... despite not feeling like joining a chorus in singing the national anthem.
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    I get the sarcasm, but children are the last people who should be pledging loyalty oaths.
     
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    This is just stupidity...And shows a real lack of understanding about what is actually being protested...

    And just to be clear, what you're saying is that unless you have experienced something bad firsthand, you aren't allowed to protest?

    I guess that makes sense - I'm sick of seeing men blather on and on about abortion, and I'm VERY tired of hearing straight people complain about gay marriage. Also bathrooms. Lots of people complaining about bathrooms recently. Those people are the ones that are truly oppressed!
     
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    Tell me about it. Yet they still say the Pledge in schools today.
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    I say bring back Odin, and Viking raids. Maybe genetically engineer up some Saber Tooth tigers and let's give Darwin some more wins.
     
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    meh, just remove warning labels from products & get rid of 90% of lawyers who sue everyone for just about anything. :D
     
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    I can't stand public bathrooms, I mean who wants to bath in public?
     
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    speaking of odin i just watched thor 2 yesterday. it was an ok movie. relatively simple plot but decently executed. better than some other comic book movies.
     
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    Have you watched Vikings? The theme song alone makes you want to go pillage and plunder.
     
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    no stalls or shower curtains in boot camp, keep your eyes above waist level and you will be ok :p
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    good series, even the women kick ass :D
     
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    haha i dont watch the show, but i know the intro. its a pretty awesome intro
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    yeah i wouldn't be surprised if viking society was somewhat based on spartan society from ancient greece. in sparta the women were warriors too which is awesome.

    but not that i totally idolize spartan society or anything if someone people take that the wrong way.
     
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    They did that in the crappy movie Starship Troopers.

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    Just kidding I liked that movie.
     
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    I'll put it bluntly.

    **** trump, his fake sky fairy, and all the rest of the American Christian Taliban.
     
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    Right, how tolerant. Lemme know when the beheadings start.
     
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    So is this just part 2 of wooing the evangelicals and we can go back to sleep, or is this a serious policy proposal? So hard to tell with what Trump puts out there on any given day.

    If he actually means it, then it's time for, say an American Hindu to stand up and straighten him out. Let's see... someone persuasive enough to make Trump want to take the meeting...

    (nominates Hawaii's Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, that should fix THAT)​
     
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    Ahh, the typical token "tolerance" response from a supporter of the ticket that wants to turn this country into a **** hole christian theocracy and force their magical beliefs down everyone's throat. That's rich.

    Let me know when the christians start tolerating those who don't believe in their cult and then maybe there'd be something to discuss.
     
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    Sure, I'll have to find a Christian to ask.
     
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    Hope you are not looking for someone to object.

    The principles that founded this nation, and the religious freedom that the founders used to create this great nation, does not prohibit you from being an atheist, whether you accept those principles or not.

    You also have a right to not salute the flag,
     
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    If the founders intended to worship the flag over all else, they'd be no different from worshipping a king.

    Your adherence to a cloth or a symbol is paltry and hilarious.
     
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    Wouldn't attacking people for exercising their constitutional rights also be disrespectful?
     

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