Trump considered declaring a state of emergency in Baltimore and other big liberal cities

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    Driving the news: Inside the White House, the conversation about Baltimore last week moved into a brief discussion of policy solutions.

    • In at least one conversation with senior aides and another discussion with an outside ally, Trump entertained the idea of declaring a state of emergency in Baltimore — an extraordinary action that would potentially open up new federal powers and funding, according to four sources familiar with the conversations.
    • The idea, one of these sources said, would be to say that the living conditions in Baltimore were unacceptable and that people were suffering because their Democratic representatives let them down. So Trump would take action to fix things.
    • Trump also discussed declaring a state of emergency in other cities controlled by Democrats, including San Francisco and Detroit, a White House official told me.
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    Back in the White House, Trump wondered aloud about what he could do to show he could fix the problems in Baltimore and other cities under Democratic control. That’s when he discussed declaring states of emergency in these cities. The idea hasn't gone anywhere yet, according to White House officials.

    • Officials said that once they thought it through, the idea didn't make much sense. It wouldn't make much sense to funnel more federal money into a district after Trump had described the same district as corrupt, one said. Another official compared Baltimore to Puerto Rico. And a third questioned where it would end. How many emergencies would Trump declare?
    • These officials told me that as far as they were aware, White House lawyers never got involved in these conversations. Former senior White House lawyers who worked for previous presidents told me they'd never heard of a president declaring an emergency in a city, absent a natural disaster and local leaders' requests for help.

    https://www.axios.com/trump-elijah-...ncy-c75798cc-0856-4857-968c-fa364a5322ec.html

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Trump pulled a stunt like this. Of course the administration would never actually follow through. But I could see him lobbing the grenade and then standing back and watching the chaos that would ensue.
     
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    Won't work without local collaboration. Dallas is now helped by Texas State Troopers. The problem is that they are so efficient that some local leaders (guess from which party) don't want them around: https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburn...south-dallas-is-ready-for-dps-troopers-to-go/
     
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    If all this does is open up more federal resources and manpower - why would anyone oppose it? Isn't it a good thing?
     
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    Do you think that local leaders really want to lose their power and admit that they can't tackle whatever issue they pretend they're tackling ?
     
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    Because it’s not done in good faith. And I doubt Republicans want more federal tax dollars going to big liberal cities.
     
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    And how do you know that?
    If it worked - for whatever reason - then it would be great news, even if the POTUS did it to gain electoral points.
     
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    Because I’m not an idiot. And according to this story there didn’t seem to be an actual policy behind it. It was nothing more than the ultimate troll, nothing more than wanting liberal heads to explode.
     
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    liberal heads should explode, don't care about that IF it helps the people on those cities. wish he tackled Flint while at it.
     
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    I doubt that the people suffering will care what "faith" their dollar bill has. If it helps someone, that's all that matters. Ofcourse now if that upsets the local political machinery like the other posted suggested, that is a whole different level of cynicism from the local pols.
     
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    Then call him out after the announced policy has negative outcome. It's also funny that you take an article that states "at least one conversation" and "wondered aloud" as something that should spawn a well-designed policy. It was an idea. It's not unusual that the POTUS (any POTUS) has an idea and asks for opinions.
     
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    Local leaders aren’t responsible for decades of federal trade policy hollowing out manufacturing in this country.

    Neoliberal market theology (yes it’s a belief system because it’s still ingrained into our economic theory after damn near 50 years of failure) is responsible for the decline of Americans material living conditions.
     
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    Considering that Flint's water supply was poisoned while under the auspices of emergency rule, I think we should be highly skeptical of such things.
     
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    I don't think it's fair to take one case and make a judgment like this. Otherwise, I'd say that medicare for all is a crappy idea...
     
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    I am from Baltimore, and still live near by.

    I generally try to stay out of the city limits, but on rare occasions I am forced to venture in for various reasons.

    My wife went to the Social Work school there, and I hated that. Luckily the campus had a lot of security and offered armed escorts from building to building and to parking spots. Even with the escorts she never felt safe.

    My daughter was treated for cancer at the UMMC, which wasn't that bad during the day, but when she had surgery to remove the cancer, that was at the uptown campus, which was located in a bad area. Luckily, the uptown campus had a crazy high amount of security, including dogs, which I thought was unusual.

    It is rare to find someone that likes to venture into the city, with the exception of some young people that like to hang out in the few upscale areas of the city, like the inner harbor, Canton, and a few others.

    The population keeps dropping, and many of the good people that stay do not have the means to leave, with the exception of the "rich" areas.

    All that said, I am not sure how a SoE would fix things, and is a pretty silly idea, imo. Many people in power are corrupt, just look at how the last few mayors left office.

    Money goes missings in the Baltimore government, so what would prevent any federal money from lining the pockets of the people in power and their associates?
     
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    You have far too much faith in executive power.
     
  17. Rogifan thread starter macrumors Core

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    OK I’m talking about Trump here. You’re talking about a normal president/administration.
     
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    I am not sure I am making the connection. The Flint water crisis unfortunately culminated under an emergency manager appointed by the State government, but it was a result of 100 years of neglect by the local authorities. The lead pipes were laid prior to 1920 and the city's inhabitants could have invested in updating their own city water pipes over several decades, through some very prosperous years. Yet, they chose to do nothing and unfortunately made a patsy out of the last guy to show up in town.
     
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    It's a battle over turf.
     
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    The point is if it’s in good faith then maybe it would actually lead to a workable policy that could be implemented and might help people. This obviously was just trolling, not a serious policy. It was hey let’s announce a state of emergency in a bunch of liberal cities and see liberal heads explode. CNN, MSNBC and blue check mark Twitter will go nuts.
     
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    There are 14 cities in this list of most dangerous cities:
    https://toptravel.tv/14-most-danger...utm_term=c5974c48-9635-4ee9-9919-eb8e5d20b20a

    Detroit has a republican mayor. Baltimore has a republican governor who somehow shares none of the blame for Baltimore or the current president. Despite the current president blaming the last president for NOT fixing Baltimore's woes. Guess now he'll be on top of it. :rolleyes: . San Francisco is NOT on this list.

    https://www.swedishnomad.com/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us/

    Memphis makes every dangerous city list repeatedly, yet for some reason they never get the same selective attention Chicago does. Oh, and Memphis is constantly considered more dangerous than Chicago.

    Before this weekend, Chicago didn't make the 25 most dangerous. I'm surprised they didn't make 45's cut. The people most concerned about Chicago are probably outraged. Right?

    Baltimore on the other hand has consistently for years. NOW something has to be done about, after a stupid spat & some Faux New engineered outrage.

    The inconsistency is startling. It seems more about as @Rogifan said, about trolling not any coherency.

    With this occurring in proximity of his tantrums with Cummings, it can only look like an intentional crapshow waiting to happen.

    You do see why some had an issue right? Yes quite a bit was done, but seemingly by targeting. Which eventually never works well, abuses are discovered, and trust in law enforcement by the communities targeted erodes.
    That kind of approach never ends well. Just ask NYC.
     
  22. mtneer macrumors 68030

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    You maybe right. But I would reserve criticism until the time he announces it & does nothing - or better yet, does something negative for the inhabitants (not the local political bosses).

    If he does nothing, then the locals are no worse off. If he indeed does something positive, no matter how small or ephemeral, I would take that over doing nothing.
     
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    That’s because traffic stops are the best and most effective way to get criminals without a warrant (and it also shows police presence). As the article itself says, vast majority of traffic stops end up in a warning.
    I truly love that once a solution is provided, and once it’s effective, it is racist just because. And no, community policing is not the solution to a crime infested area. It’s a very useful policing tool and methodology for the long term, but not for the immediate needs of a city that is experiencing a spike in crime.
     
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    Should declare a state of emergency over the crime infested Trump Tower.

    They're white, though, so probably not a concern.

    I am old enough to remember when Republicans pretended to believe in small government, fiscal responsibility, and state's rights!
     
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    Ah, but are you old enough to remember a time before pretensions?
     

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