Trump Continues To Gut Our Intelligence Services (2019)

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  1. Huntn macrumors demi-god

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    It was described this morning that he is uncomfortable with career people, especially those he does not have a relationship with. Allow me to interpret... anyone who has not pledged their fealty to him, and/or not on the same page with him, like they have the audacity to say something bad about Russia or question his position on intelligence matters where he is obviously challenged.

    He thrives on personal relationships, think of Cohen his now jailed lawyer. Conmen need front men to do their dirty work for them or take the bullet now and then so he can disavow any knowledge of dastardly deeds.

    Sue Gordon has resigned as deputy director of national intelligence
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/sue...deputy-director-of-national-intelligence.html

    “President Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he is seemingly incapable of hearing facts that contradict his own views,” Warner said. “The mission of the intelligence community is to speak truth to power; Yet in pushing out two dedicated public servants in as many weeks, once again the President has shown that he has no problem prioritizing his political ego even if it comes at the expense of our national security.”
     
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    Well, we can't have the intelligence services investigating Trump's connections to Russia, nor can we try to ground US foreign and security policy in evidence, can we? We need sycophants advising POTUS, because he's always right.
     
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    good, the alphabet agencies need to be culled.
     
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    Don't leave out what he's done to our scientific community in the gov't as well.

    https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/week-130-trump-takes-his-war-science-road
     
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    Not based on "loyalty" to any POTUS.
     
  6. Huntn thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    The single most Nationally destructive POTUS in our life time, but hey, look at that stock market! :oops:
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    Tell us why.
     
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    because they are biased craps.
    the CIA should NOT be an agency under the U.S. the crap they do is akin to section 31
     
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    Biased craps... tell us about it. Would you prefer to be in the dark?
     
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    FBI/CIA are indeed the agencies that would put you in the dark, hell they can legally out you away w/o habeaus corpus thanks to your clown who signed it into law. do YOU think agencies should have that power?
     
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    How about a link to what you are referencing exactly before I comment. So why do you support Trump, isn’t he one of your clowns? I’m still waiting to hear about biased craps.
     
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    I'm surprised it took him this long. The question is whether he can find the proper sycophant for the top job. Ratcliff didn't work out that well. Of course he'll choose someone as an "acting" so he won't need Senate approval for a while.



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    the link is right there.......
     
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    Waiting for the GOP to engage in a bipartisan push to reduce surveillance and detention powers of the intelligence agencies, but, as I recall, a lot of this legislation was enacted initially under Dubya.
     
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    anyone who supported that, no matter what letter is next to their name should be in GITMO
     
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    You really need to stop with the divisive comments that have no basis. Constant comments like "you" and "your" which are directed at a person as if they are a group and vice-versa.
     
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    https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law

    The issue is the state of war we find ourselves frequently in with foreign nations not part of an action by a Nation State. It is easy to argue that these cases are not cut and dry, nor easily resolved. Obama campaigned on shutting down Guantanamo, but ran into the reality, that enemy combatants are being held with no real way to resolve their status as enemy combatants. In a conventional war, POWs would be held indefinitely until the war was over.

    This should not apply to US citizens in domestic law breaking.
     
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    going to guess you did not even bother reading the ACLU link
     
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    Well, whatever the history, I think blanket surveillance laws should be repealed. I'd also like to do something about US citizen rights not to be subject to search without probable cause at the US border etc.
     
  21. Huntn thread starter macrumors demi-god

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    I did read it.
     
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    and you STILL believe that even TRUMP should have the power to detain people w/o due process? o_O
     
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    There is a huge difference with this statement as compared to JK’s blanket clown statement and over simplification of what we face dealing with independent enemy combatants.
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    As a principle no, not US citizens, that terminology needs to be fixed, and I’ve been against the Patriot Act since it was conceived. But enemy combatants is a much more complicated issue as I previously stated. You picked your desired candidates, would they do what you want them to do?

    And why the hell are you in this forum everyday supporting Trump?
     
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    again, once passed it gets expanded as they see fit...................
     
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    Uh, this is exactly why Trump's relationship to the intelligence services is troubling. Yes, Obama should not have signed that law (if you read the article you posted, he made his reservations explicitly clear) because now the ACLU's worse fears have come to pass. The man in power is not the rational, level-headed leader Obama was and if Trump didn't have an adversarial relationship with the "alphabet agencies" he could be doing some real damage.

    He isn't dismantling them for any ideology, he's trying to remove the professionals who won't swear loyalty to him over country just so that he can take advantage of these such laws and abuse his power.

    EDIT: Trump is doing "real damage" I meant that he could (and likely would) be detaining American citizens without due process or cause.
     

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