Trump defends against DOJ influence charge by trying to influence the DOJ

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  1. jpietrzak8 macrumors 65816

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    Earlier this year, Donald Trump fired James Comey from heading up the FBI. This was seen as potential obstruction of justice, especially as Trump later admitted on national TV that he had done it because of "the Russia thing".

    This weekend, Steve Bannon mentioned Comey in his 60 Minutes interview, including the claim that the firing was the "biggest political mistake in modern presidential history". This, of course, was an insult to Trump, and we all know what Trump does when he feels insulted. In this case, however, he apparently hasn't felt the desire to punch Bannon back; so, instead, he is attempting to punch Comey.

    So yeah, he's had Sarah Sanders go up on stage and start relating all the evils of James Comey. Inappropriate deeds. Nasty deeds. Illegal deeds. Yes, that's right, today Sanders started making a case about the illegal actions Comey took:

    In Wednesday’s press briefing, reading from what appeared to be prepared notes, Sanders explained what she meant by “illegal”:

    “The memos that Comey leaked were created on an FBI computer while he was the director,” she said. “He claims they were private property, but they clearly followed the protocol of an official FBI document, leaking FBI memos on a sensitive case regardless of classification violates federal laws including the Privacy Act, standard FBI employment agreement and nondisclosure agreement all personnel must sign.”​

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/13/james-comey-smear-campaign-215601

    So, what is the White House attempting to do with this statement? Trump has not attempted himself to take Comey to court. Is he trying to publicly coerce the FBI or DOJ into taking Comey to court? And isn't that just the kind of behavior that got Trump into trouble in the first place?
     
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    How is defining how something is potentially illegal coercing?

    You realize Sessions serves at the pleasure of the president right? Obama was running the DoJ throughout his 8 years.
     
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    (EDIT: I initially parsed this sentence wrong, associating "potentially illegal" with "coercing", rather than with "something". Sorry about that.)

    He's telling the DOJ what he wants to see done, but he's not telling them directly, he's just implying it. :) He's being coy; they're supposed to understand that they should be doing what he wants, without him having to say it to them directly. Thus, "coercion".

    Absolutely! As was Comey. It was entirely legal for Trump to fire Comey, even if he was doing so to try to get out from under the Russia investigation. Which is pretty much what he had already admitted.

    There is no question about it: the President is legally allowed to obstruct justice! It is written right into the Constitution!

    So the real issue becomes whether the Congress is willing to allow him to get away with it. Trump could just go ahead and fire Muller (again paralleling Nixon), but the Congress could go right ahead and hire him the next day to continue his work. And it is up to the Congress to decide whether the President has done something that they find impeachable...
     
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    If they found a smoking gun it would have been public by now. Mueller's investigation is just as leaky as Trump's administration. Nothing is going to come from the Russia stuff, and Trump is going to use it as a Javelin in the next campaign.
     
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    Comey and Mueller need to be locked up. Bastards are trying to sabotage MAGA.
     
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    Oh, I would normally agree. And if Trump would just keep his cotton-picking hands off of the investigation, it would have died already. Heck, it would have died months ago if Trump hadn't fired Comey. It would never have even gotten started if Trump hadn't tried to keep Flynn on the payroll for weeks after he had admitted his Russian dealings.

    But Trump keeps acting like he is guilty! If the guy would stop fidgeting every time the investigators came around, maybe the investigators would stop coming around.

    Oh, I disagree completely on this point. There's nothing for the Mueller investigation to leak, because Trump's administration itself leaks out everything that they hand over to Mueller.

    Nah. Every time Trump opens his mouth about the Russia stuff, he makes life worse for himself. He either admits that he engages in shady acts because of the investigation (like firing Comey), or gets chummy with Russian diplomats and simply hands over top secret information, or sits down with Putin himself and starts talking about adoptions and strange international computer security arrangements. Every single time Trump tries to deal with Russia, he ends up shooting himself in the foot.
     
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    life is screwing up maga that and the idiot that thought it up.
     
  8. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Stole it from Reagan, actually.
     
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    Clinton used the line as well in one of his speeches. I always knew he was a bigot.
     

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